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Subject: Re: Computer Chess Went The Wrong Way...

Author: Drexel,Michael

Date: 04:46:08 01/08/03

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On January 08, 2003 at 07:23:16, Graham Laight wrote:

>On January 08, 2003 at 06:42:38, Drexel,Michael wrote:
>
>>On January 07, 2003 at 23:00:40, Russell Reagan wrote:
>>
>>>On January 07, 2003 at 07:56:28, Drexel,Michael wrote:
>>>
>>>>Nonsense. computer chess will improve slower and slower.
>>>
>>>>again you are wrong. computer chess will never demonstrate this.
>>>
>>>>no computer will EVER be able to prove that. not in 10000 years. a prove would
>>>>require a 32-piece tablebase. hope you know what that means.
>>>
>>>That is quite a bold (and pessimistic) statement. Unfortunately, it's also
>>>wrong. It is quite foolish to predict what will be possible in 10,000 years IMO.
>>
>>Sorry, I was wrong. Chess will be solved in year 2168 :-)
>>
>>http://user.cs.tu-berlin.de/~kunegis/hack/chess/
>
>Wrong calcualtions. They say in that link that in 2002 we can investigate 3
>million positions per minute.

I knew that. doesnt matter at all. this is not a serious calculation because
Moores law is not realistic (physical reasons).

>
>If one is only checking for checkmate or draw in the eval, then I'm sure that in
>2002 we could have done several billion positions per second on optimal
>hardware.
>
>My prediction: after 2020, no top chess computer will ever lose a game. See my
>previous posts in this thread for the reasoning (which is basically that one can
>extrapolate that all games will be drawn above 3500 elo, and I posted a link to
>a well-researched graph from which this level is extrapolated. In picking 2020,
>I'm assuming that computers advance 40 elo per year - a figure I plucked out of
>the air - but which is of the right order of magnitude).
>

this might be true. however this would not come close to a mathematical proof.

>-g
>
>>do you really know what 10^43 means? I dont think so.



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