Author: Marc van Hal
Date: 10:30:46 01/10/03
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On January 10, 2003 at 08:10:14, Eduard Nemeth wrote:
>Internet Translate:
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>When the CSS of on-line masters loose-went (on the ChessBase server), watched I
>for the first time, as the 2. Game between Deep junior 7 and Guenes/Fritz 8 was
>played. The evaluations came literally estimated themselves to a packing game
>in that. Not even the position could compute the best programs correctly.
>Toward end of the portion then Deep saw itself junior 7 first clearly in the
>plus, later however saw it only a Remis by continuous chess however on different
>fields. Fritz 8 had only few minutes on the clock, therefore I said in the Chat
>to the operator of Dj7 he was further-play, with the note that Fritz 8 on time
>to lose could. But the players suddenly agreed on Remis, which surprised me
>somewhat. Only on the next day I experienced however that Fritz 8 in normally
>the mode do not play separate its operator control timing + book. Also I
>experienced that even during exceeding the time the portion is measured - if
>thus a technical Remis is not present in such a way applies exceeding the time!
>From therefore it the Remisangebot of Dj7, and for me likewise, but only one day
>was understandable later, unfortunately.
>
>Yesterday it came to a similar position on the server - to be over exact, it was
>still clearer than the position between Dj7 and Fritz 8. The only difference:
>it concerned to nothing all or, and with a Remis the laughter would have been 3.
> At the board was a TBs draw position between Guenes/Fritz8 and Gambit tiger
>2.0. Fritz 8 had still 3 minutes during Gambit tiger still about 13 minutes on
>the clock had. Here the notation in PGN:
>
>[Event "60m + 15s, unrated rapid "]
>[Site "?"]
>[Date "2003.??.??"]
>[Round "?"]
>[White "XErdoG_Fritz8"]
>[Black "XMarekBa_GTiger,Gambit Tiger 2.0"]
>[ECO "B10"]
>[Result "1-0"]
>
>1. e4 {71} c6 {0} 2. Nc3 {5} d5 {0} 3. d3 {5} g6 {0} 4. g3
>{13} Bg7 {0} 5. Bg2 {14} Nf6 {0} 6. e5 {4} Ng4 {0} 7. f4
>{7} f6 {0} 8. Nf3 {14} fxe5 {0} 9. h3 {5} Nh6 {0} 10. fxe5
>{9} Nf7 {0} 11. Qe2 {6} d4 {0} 12. Ne4 {6} Nxe5 {0}
>13. Nxe5 {4} Bxe5 {0} 14. O-O {6} Qc7 {0} 15. Bh6 {6} Bf5
>{0} 16. Rxf5 {9} gxf5 {1.54/16 106} 17. Qh5+ {13} Kd8
>{1.52/17 97} 18. Nc5 {145} Qc8 {1.08/16 262} 19. Re1 {521}
>Bxg3 {0.98/15 285} 20. Ne6+ {68} Kd7 {0.32/15 246} 21. Re2
>{97} Qe8 {0.46/13 0} 22. Qxf5 {107} Kc8 {0.56/14 161}
>23. Ng7+ {29} Qd7 {-0.28/16 56} 24. Rxe7 {88} Qxf5
>{-0.34/17 21} 25. Nxf5 {58} Bc7 {0.62/16 137} 26. Bf3 {105}
>Na6 {0.98/16 464} 27. Nxd4 {6} Nb4 {0.42/13 61} 28. Kf1
>{243} a5 {0.76/16 218} 29. a3 {6} Nd5 {0.66/15 65} 30. Rf7
>{160} Be5 {0.70/15 12} 31. Ne6 {135} Bd6 {0.78/15 128}
>32. c4 {40} Nc7 {1.10/15 36} 33. Nf8 {174} Bxf8 {1.34/16
>183} 34. Bxf8 {106} h5 {1.70/18 70} 35. Bd6 {160} Ne6
>{1.48/17 0} 36. Be4 {121} Rd8 {1.40/15 0} 37. Be7 {114} Rd4
>{1.60/15 0} 38. c5 {109} b6 {1.04/15 57} 39. cxb6 {201} Rb8
>{1.02/16 0} 40. Kg1 {404} Rxe4 {0.92/16 38} 41. dxe4 {7}
>Rxb6 {1.58/16 48} 42. b4 {50} Rb5 {1.54/14 8} 43. Kf2 {85}
>c5 {1.64/16 64} 44. bxc5 {46} Nxc5 {1.52/14 43} 45. Bxc5
>{95} Rxc5 {1.44/16 1} 46. h4 {187} a4 {1.08/15 163} 47. Rf5
>{130} Rc3 {0.94/15 105} 48. Rxh5 {70} Rxa3 {0.95/14 120}
>49. Ra5 {8} Kd7 {1.22/13 106} 50. h5 {35} Ke7 {1.24/11 0}
>51. h6 {42} Rh3 {1.00/12 68} 52. Ra6 {54} Kf7 {1.06/14 50}
>53. Kg2 {34} Rh4 {0.54/13 50} 54. Kf3 {54} a3 {0.00/12 55}
>55. e5 {23} a2 {0.00/12 30} 56. Rxa2 {46} Rxh6 {0.00/12 8}
>57. Ra7+ {11} Ke8 {0.00/1 0} 58. Ke4 {7} Rh2 {0.00/1 0}
>59. Rb7 {21} Re2+ {0.00/1 0} 60. Kd5 {14} Rd2+ {0.00/1 0}
>61. Ke6 {25} Kd8 {0.00/1 0} 62. Rb8+ {26} Kc7 {0.00/1 0}
>63. Rh8 {24} Re2 {0.00/1 0} 64. Re8 {XErdoG_Fritz8 claims
>flag (automatic). (Lag: Av=0.25s, max=0.4s) 26} 1-0
>
>
>
>after that 64 moves of white the passed then following: Suddenly Gambit tiger
>did not pull, we waited some minutes however nothing did. I looked myself then
>in the hall over, however, Gambit tiger 2,0 "saw no" XMarekBa_GTiger there. It
>was thus no more in the hall. Probably its PC fell. While the time for black
>ran off, white automatically therefore first the valuation 1-0 lodged a
>complaint on victory for itself. After it the operator of Gambit tiger in the
>hall emerged sometime again, and looked for his opponent. But it came too late,
>those game was terminated. Now the arbitrators had to decide. The operator of
>Fritz 8 pounded on it that either is further-played or that the victory was to
>be awarded to him. Despite repeated references of two arbitrators that here
>because of exceeding the time the portion must be measured as Remis
>(TBs-5-Steiner) loud ยง 14: Technical clear profit /Remisstellungen as per
>Tablesbases Gewonnen/Remis given, also with time delay, refused white first
>accepting the Remis and which although it should know the rule, because it
>functions with masters likewise as an arbitrator, except with own portions.
>There were many kiebitze, and the operators of REBEL (the laughing 3.) in the
>Chat, likewise the operator of cunning because of this unreasonable controversy
>from the tournament even so it wanted to withdraw. Then simply to "night" said
>the fair arbitrators decided then on Remis and one property - because it the
>interpretation of the rule was than clear more.
>
>Have so does computer chess a game of a friendship tournament to end? If all
>behaved in such a way "fairplay" like it the Dj7-Bediener in the mentioned 2.
>game against Fritz 8 did not do, surely!
>
>My original german message here:
>
>http://www.beepworld.de/members37/computerschach/kommentar.htm
>
>Eduard
Donner already said you chessprogrammers do everthing to claim something.
But I gues he also would have claimed the win.
Depends on which side he was playing .
If it was me I wouldn't like to claim it as a win
From either side
Marc
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