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Subject: Re: Intel Xeon information

Author: Aaron Gordon

Date: 00:26:13 01/16/03

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On January 15, 2003 at 21:29:34, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On January 15, 2003 at 19:04:36, Aaron Gordon wrote:
>
>>On January 15, 2003 at 18:14:50, Jorge Pichard wrote:
>>
>>>On January 15, 2003 at 17:43:47, Jorge Pichard wrote:
>>>
>>>>On January 15, 2003 at 15:21:00, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On January 15, 2003 at 12:56:07, pavel wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Robert,
>>>>>>         I must have missed this in your earlier discussion, but how much
>>>>>>speedup are you getting on this Xeon? Did you replace your older ones with the
>>>>>>new ones already?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Cheers,
>>>>>>pavs
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I simply replaced my quad 700 with a dual 2.8.  It is somewhere around 2x
>>>>>faster,
>>>>>overall...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Therefore, the 8x 1000 Mhz used vs Kramnik is roughly almost the same speed as
>>>the newer dual Xeon 2.8 Ghz.
>>>
>>>PS: I'm NOT comparing these two systems Mhz Per Mhz since 8x1000 = 8000 Ghz,
>>>whereas 2 x 2.8 = 5.6 Ghz, but the performance difference should be roughly
>>>equal using the Newer Dual Xeon 2.8/533.
>>>
>>>Pichard
>>
>>
>>I highly doubt that. You seem to be forgetting that the P3's are faster MHz for
>>MHz than the Pentium 4 chips. It roughly takes a P4-1.6GHz to equal one P3-1GHz.
>
>That isn't true in my case.  My quad xeon 700 was a PIII-based xeon
>box.  My dual 2.8 is almost exactly twice as fast, which is what the
>clocks say should happen.

Actually, figuring the speed up into it... 4 p3 chips have a speedup factor of
3.1x. 700 * 3.1 = 2170MHz and according to you (I remember the message well) you
stated with the Intel C compiler your Quad got 1.6mn/s. Dual 2.8GHz w/ SMT
should get a speedup of around 2.21 over 1 cpu w/o SMT. This is (1+(2-1)*0.7) *
1.30 (30% boost from SMT). Now, 2800 * 2.21 = 6188MHz. This isn't the "total
MHz" of course, whats actually being used from Crafty. Anyway, as I said in the
previous message every post I've seen you're showing numbers around 2mn/s for
the dual 2.8... now..
P3's @ 2170MHz = 1.6mn/s
P4's @ 6188MHz = 2.0mn/s
If you don't add the SMT as MHz you still get..
4760MHz, 2.0nb/s (2800*1.7)
119% more cycles for what, 25% increase in performance?

Now, the clocks say what again? ;)

>>Also, about the "400/533mhz" bus business, it's not actually 400mhz or 533mhz.
>>It's just quad pumped (four data transfers per cycle). Thus a "400MHz" p4 bus is
>>actually 100MHz and a "533" is 133. Same goes for DDR (double pumped, two
>>transfers per cycle). I prefer DDR over RDRAM. DDR is much more efficient
>>(actually does what it's rated for). The PC1066 RDRAM only pulls around 3.2gb/s
>>actual but 240MHz(480) DDR hits 3.7gb/s easily (on an Nforce2 board). ;)
>
>If you think about it, does it matter?  1 transfer 400M times a second, or
>4 transfers 100M times a second?  It is simply semantics, not practical speed.
>
>BTW my xeon box (2.8 x 2) is DDR ram, not rambus...  I'm not a fan of rambus
>at all except for certain kinds of streaming memory applications...

It does to me, I like everything to be right. I run my (DDR) bus at 183MHz, if I
said I was running a "366MHz fsb" I would be what? Wrong.



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