Author: Matthew Hull
Date: 16:49:17 01/20/03
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On January 20, 2003 at 16:46:23, Uri Blass wrote: >On January 20, 2003 at 16:31:56, Matthew Hull wrote: > >>On January 20, 2003 at 16:09:28, Peter Kappler wrote: >> >>>On January 20, 2003 at 15:38:00, Peter Skinner wrote: >>> >>>>With the lack of commercial products participating in the CCT, does it lose some >>>>of the luster in winning it? >>>> >>>>Of course there are always going to be "what ifs" when all participants do not >>>>play. Ferret was allowed to play without kibitzing any information. What would >>>>have happened if Fritz joined and did the same? Would the result have been the >>>>same? >>>> >>>>It seems that there was allowances made for some, and not others. Why was this >>>>the case? >>>> >>> >>>Volker told everyone who wasn't kibitzing on day 1 was told they had to kibitz >>>on day 2, or face disqualification. To my knowledge, everybody complied, >>>including Ferret. >>> >>> >>>>I am sure if the rule had not been in place, the likes of Shredder, Fritz, and >>>>possibly Junior would have participated. >>> >>>I don't think kibitzing was an issue at all. It's obvious why Junior didn't >>>particpate - they are busy preparing for their match with Kasparov. >>> >>>Rebel & Tiger have never participated. Ed has publically stated that he think >>>the potential for cheating is too high. I think Christophe may share this >>>opinion, but I am not certain. >>> >>>Don't know why Fritz and Shredder weren't there. Maybe they just weren't >>>interested, but it wouldn't surprise me if the marketing people at Chessbase >>>discouraged them from entering. Suppose Fritz and Shredder enter, and neither >>>of them wins? Quite possible, considering the strength of the field, and while >>>none of us would find this result shocking, a casual computer chess fan might >>>suddly wonder why they should spend their money on Fritz & Shredder when there >>>are free amateur programs that are similar in strength. >>> >>> >>>> Chess Tiger already has the ability to >>>>kibitz the pv from the program, so that was not Christophe's reasoning for not >>>>joining. >>>> >>>>I think that if a program is automated is enough to play in the next CCT. If not >>>>then we might have the same result. >>> >>> >>>I like the kibitzing rule. It's fun to see what each engine is thinking. I had >>>one game where my engine's eval was almost 2 pawns different from my opponent's >>>engine, so we began discussing the details of our evaluation functions. This is >>>much better than keeping all this stuff hidden and mysterious. >>> >>> >>>-Peter >> >> >>I agree fully with your comments. Personally, I could care less that the >>commercial programs were not there. They contribute exactly zero to computer >>chess, IMO. > >I disagree. > >I do not need them in that tournament but saying that the contribute exactly >zero to computer chess is wrong. > >Ed the programmer of Rebel contributed to computer chess by discovering a lot of >information and other programmers also may follow him in the future. Are they sharing this information? In general, no. So what is the contribution? Matt > >Uri
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