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Subject: Re: Human chess means depth and knowledge

Author: Rolf Tueschen

Date: 11:22:11 01/23/03

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On January 23, 2003 at 13:58:29, Drexel,Michael wrote:

>On January 23, 2003 at 13:28:34, Rolf Tueschen wrote:
>
>>On January 23, 2003 at 13:24:08, Jorge Pichard wrote:
>>
>>>On January 23, 2003 at 13:06:21, Rolf Tueschen wrote:
>>>
>>>>Today's game at Wijk between Kramnik and Topalov (still playing) is a good
>>>>example for the class of the best GM. When Kramnik played 23.Qe4 he went for the
>>>>win. He saw that dozens of moves later he could win in the endgame. Now the 53th
>>>>moves was played and Kramnik has one Pawn plus. This is Kramnik as we know him
>>>>and not how he was after these strange events in Bahrain where he played this
>>>>commercial event.
>>>>
>>>>I would really like to know that our programs were that clever. But it might
>>>>take another 30 years until this date. Too late for me. :(
>>>
>>>30 years?! . Back in the 80s some people predicted that it would take a regular
>>>program on a home P.C. around the year 2010 to beat the world Champion. Those
>>>people were wrong. Deep Junior beta on a Quad 2.8 could possibly play the exact
>>>move, and I don't doubt that even Deep Fritz 7 could too.
>>
>>Sorry, if that might have been read as if I had said that it was exactly this
>>move 23. Qe4, no, it was just the long road to the win who is just there in this
>>moment (1:0). And you must agree that no machine today can see that deep into
>>the position. We know that often a good move is played for wrong reasons.
>>
>>Rolf Tueschen
>>
>>
>>>
>>>Pichard.
>>>
>>>>P.S.
>>>>
>>>>Just follow the game here:
>>>>http://corus.connections-it.com/corus/
>
>23.Qe4 is nothing special at all. Kramnik obviously had to play this in order to
>keep some winning chances. I dont think he saw a forced road to a win at this
>moment. There should have been no forced win after 23...Ra5 with the idea
>Rd7,Rd4 to get a rook ending with rook behind passed pawn. Topalov probably made
>a lot of mistakes. It is not an easy task to draw if you are slightly worse
>against Kramnik.

The question is always here at least in comparison with computer chess. Nothing
special is relative of course. I did not intend to invent a new chess. Beware!
:)

Kind regards,
Rolf Tueschen



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