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Subject: Re: Human chess means depth and knowledge

Author: Drexel,Michael

Date: 10:58:29 01/23/03

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On January 23, 2003 at 13:28:34, Rolf Tueschen wrote:

>On January 23, 2003 at 13:24:08, Jorge Pichard wrote:
>
>>On January 23, 2003 at 13:06:21, Rolf Tueschen wrote:
>>
>>>Today's game at Wijk between Kramnik and Topalov (still playing) is a good
>>>example for the class of the best GM. When Kramnik played 23.Qe4 he went for the
>>>win. He saw that dozens of moves later he could win in the endgame. Now the 53th
>>>moves was played and Kramnik has one Pawn plus. This is Kramnik as we know him
>>>and not how he was after these strange events in Bahrain where he played this
>>>commercial event.
>>>
>>>I would really like to know that our programs were that clever. But it might
>>>take another 30 years until this date. Too late for me. :(
>>
>>30 years?! . Back in the 80s some people predicted that it would take a regular
>>program on a home P.C. around the year 2010 to beat the world Champion. Those
>>people were wrong. Deep Junior beta on a Quad 2.8 could possibly play the exact
>>move, and I don't doubt that even Deep Fritz 7 could too.
>
>Sorry, if that might have been read as if I had said that it was exactly this
>move 23. Qe4, no, it was just the long road to the win who is just there in this
>moment (1:0). And you must agree that no machine today can see that deep into
>the position. We know that often a good move is played for wrong reasons.
>
>Rolf Tueschen
>
>
>>
>>Pichard.
>>
>>>P.S.
>>>
>>>Just follow the game here:
>>>http://corus.connections-it.com/corus/

23.Qe4 is nothing special at all. Kramnik obviously had to play this in order to
keep some winning chances. I dont think he saw a forced road to a win at this
moment. There should have been no forced win after 23...Ra5 with the idea
Rd7,Rd4 to get a rook ending with rook behind passed pawn. Topalov probably made
a lot of mistakes. It is not an easy task to draw if you are slightly worse
against Kramnik.



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