Author: Rolf Tueschen
Date: 06:09:18 01/30/03
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On January 30, 2003 at 09:00:19, Matthew Hull wrote: >On January 30, 2003 at 07:00:35, Rolf Tueschen wrote: > >>On January 29, 2003 at 22:30:38, Matthew Hull wrote: >> >>>Negative. He is paid because he is strong, _the_ strongest. That's what is >>>wanted. That is what is hired. His reputation is on the line. >> >> >>That is wrong and I can prove it. Kasparov is possibly the strongest human chess >>player _against_ other human players, although I doubt it because Kramnik is >>stronger, but this is not the question here. It's true that Kasparov is very >>strong against other human players in human chess. But he's not the strongest >>player against computers! Simply because his lack of self-control. Pulling faces >>is both impolite and against the known chess ethic. > > >Perfectly blithering, Rolf. Ok, I will also discuss with you although it's then in the second division only. > > >>No matter how authentic it >>might be in the eyes of the spectators. And more - against computers it's >>_absolutely_ worthless! >> >>The sole reason for Kasparov being the most wanted partner in computer chess >>show events is the intention to make the public believe that the strongest human >>player is automatically the strongest computer opponent - which is provenly >>false! >> >> >> >> >>>His reputation >>>suffered badly from DB2. If he throws games, then he has dishonored his >>>contract, his principles, his reputation and his soul. That's just not >>>happening with this guy, IMO. >> >>I didn't say that he throws games. > > >Yes you did. You said he tossed a safe win (f4) to keep the match interesting. >That would be "throwing" a game. You contradict yourself. Throwing a game is losing a game, if you don't mind? > > >>Keep your data straight, please. But it's >>true that all show event partners among human chess players have 'helped' the >>programs to win some points - from the beginning on of such show events. >> >>Here is a sentence nobody can deny: >> >>====If it's true that only now the commercially available chess programs are >>strong enough to win games against the best humans, then how could it happen >>that already 30 years ago the first programs and board computers won points?=== > >The "if" statement here returns a FALSE. So your conclusion "code" would never >be executed and is therefore irrelevent. So? Also the first commercial progs were strong enough? Please do not choose such a deep level here. Thanks. > >> >>Please explain that fact! How could it happen if the human chessplayers didn't >>help? With strength alone that could never have happened because the first >>programs were stupid as hell. But again prove me wrong. I wait for your answers. >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> >>>IBM took a risk in hiring the strongest guy in the world to play their monster. >>>They gambled and won. You can bet he was not throwing games then. The >>>situation is the same. He has something to prove. >> >> >>What should he have to prove? > > >That he is the strongest chess player, period, regardless of who is the >opponent. Exception Kramnik to whom he lost a match. Period. > > >>We are not talking about human chess. We are >>talking about computerchess. And there he is definitely NOT the best opponent, >>perhaps the best partner - in economical terms of business, yes. >> >>And a final sentence you can't deny too: >> >>===Why could Kasparov prove what he's worth in chess (computer version!) if he's >>now playing a program that is factor x plus a dozen aspects WEAKER than DB2? How > > >So you admit it. DB2 was the strongest program. > >To answer your question, it is a matter of public perception. Junior is the >current Computer world champion. GK will want to establish his superiority over >the "strongest" computer competition. > >See? Very simple. See? Very simplicistic? Rolf Tueschen P.S. If I'm on vacations as a boy, the other boy could pester my little baby sister and claim being strongest in town? Hehehe... > > > >>could a little boy prove that he was stronger than me, if I hit him a bloody >>nose and he _then_ began to pester my little baby sister?=== >> >>Please make sure that you use strictly logical arguments in your response. :) >> >> >>Rolf Tueschen >> >> >> >> >> >>> >>>Regards, >>>Matt
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