Author: Peter Kappler
Date: 22:34:53 02/06/03
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On February 06, 2003 at 02:16:52, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >On February 06, 2003 at 01:54:19, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: > >>On February 06, 2003 at 01:30:13, J Mike wrote: >> >>> >>>I made the moves 16. g3 Qh2 17. f5 h5 and played Crafty vs Crafty (time control >>>40 moves in 40 minutes) > >correction 16..Nh2 is way better. >17. Kf2,Ng4+ > >Now white must chose. I bet your beancounter is gonna play Kg2 there. >If so then let's discuss that line later. Let's first play > >18.Ke1 now black plays Qh2,Nd1 (forced kind of) and now black can quietly move a >pawn on the king side (h5) and put up the pressure to white. > >You sure that *any* titled player on the planet likes to play white there? >I'll give you the judgement: "NO". White is sitting duck here for a long lasting >game. Somewhere you make mistake and 0-1. > I'd happily play White here. Just walk the king to b2 where it is perfectly safe. Black has nothing. -Peter >Doesn't take away that 18.Ke1 is best move probably. Sitting duck sometimes is >better than losing. > >Ok let's follow a beancounter which wants to win badly. > >So back to the other line. 18.Kg2,Qh2+ 19.Kf3. While DIEP is analyzing here my >score already drops to 0.00 nearly. A short look at the position: white cannot >move his f1 rook because of a qf2 mate. > >so white can only free itself by e4 one day. black on the other hand can enter >all pieces which is of course 20 ply to see for programs. > >Not a very happy position either. > >Of course kasparov is never going to take this. A draw is much easier. > >I do not find Bxh2 best move at all. Playing other move gives black advantage >and would have won the game later. Now Bxh2 is giving a draw simply. >Beancounter-beancounter i would not be surprised if either black wins or white >wins. Happens. they play without a plan. if you play however with a plan here >then black plays like a royal king so taking the draw was a good thing from >kasparov directly saying in fact: "black doesn't have enough for the bxh2". > >The alternative is a slow win from black. > >>>the final position after move 67 is probably a draw. > >>Move 4.e3 i would argue. >> >>>Even if the sacrifice was unsafe (as it probably was), I don't think it would >>>have been easy for Kasparov to win the game if he had played 16. g3 .. he could >> >>g3 is a silly attempt. Take the draw. much easier. g3 will never win for white >>of course. this is trivial to see for even a FM. What the hell did you guys do >>at icc? >> >>>have even lost it, given he had less than an hour on the clock and it was only >>>move 16. >>> >>>Everyone was shocked on ICC that Kasparov didn't try to win with g3, but now I >> >>that's of course people just watching the beancounters at their programs. >>g3 ain't gonna win at all for white. instead you have a long game where black >>wins in the end. the analysis i saw so far get already wiped away by a 12 ply >>search of DIEP here. >> >>>think he probably made the right decision! This position is not as easy as it >>>looked earlier. >> >>kasparov begged for a draw with his setup. if he had just 5 braincells that >>wanted to win from junior he would know that this openingsline is a bad choice >>because it gives black greatly the opportunity to attack at the king side. Now >>we all know from world champs where junior joins that the program is always >>attacking the king side of the opponent. Good or bad. >> >>So kasparov in advance was playing for a draw. 1.d4 and 5.e3 what a joke again. >>this guy ain't playing serious against junior. kasparov became world champion >>with 1.e4 and black najdorf after 1.e4. >> >>Now he plays openings where he is no better than any other 2550+ GM (fide >>rating). Combined with some commercial interests into kasparovchess.com (what's >>in a name?) and the junior team also linked to kasparovchess. Also in the sure >>knowing that next year he'll get another match against a computer and if that >>ain't junior he'll try go beat it. >> >>What do i need to say more. >> >>he isn't 2800+ in those lines. knowing his considerations and his mentality >>struggle he'll be more like 2450 there. >> >>>I think we can say DJ's Bxh2 was an amazing move. It was a real sacrifice for >>>initiative. I don't think any other computer (or even older version of DJ) >>>would have played it .. >>> >>> >>>------------------------ >>> >>>1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 Bb4 4. e3 O-O 5. Bd3 d5 6. cxd5 exd5 7. Nge2 Re8 8. >>>O-O Bd6 9. a3 c6 10. Qc2 Bxh2+ 11. Kxh2 Ng4+ 12. Kg3 Qg5 13. f4 Qh5 14. Bd2 >>>Qh2+ 15. Kf3 Qh4 16. g3 Qh2 17. f5 h5 18. b4 Nd7 19. e4 Qh3 20. Rh1 Nh2+ 21. >>>Rxh2 Qxh2 22. exd5 Nf6 23. Qd1 Qh3 24. Nf4 Qh2 25. Nfe2 Qh3 26. Nf4 Qh2 27. >>>dxc6 Ng4 28. Ng2 Qh3 29. Be2 bxc6 30. Qh1 Nh2+ 31. Kf2 Bxf5 32. Nf4 Ng4+ 33. >>>Bxg4 Qxh1 34. Rxh1 hxg4 35. d5 Rac8 36. Rh5 g6 37. Rh1 f6 38. Be3 g5 39. Nfe2 >>>cxd5 40. Bxa7 Be4 41. Nxe4 Rxe4 42. Bc5 Rc4 43. a4 Rc2 44. a5 Ra2 45. Re1 Kf7 >>>46. Kf1 Rh8 47. Nc3 Rh1+ 48. Bg1 Ra3 49. Ne2 Ra4 50. Rb1 Rh8 51. Nc3 Ra3 52. >>>Nxd5 Rh3 53. b5 Rxa5 54. Kg2 f5 55. Bf2 f4 56. Nc3 f3+ 57. Kg1 Ra8 58. b6 Rah8 >>>59. Kf1 Rh1+ 60. Bg1 R8h2 61. b7 Rg2 62. Ne2 Rh8 63. Bd4 Rhh2 64. Ng1 f2 65. >>>Ne2 Rh1+ 66. Kxg2 Rxb1 67. Kxf2 Kg6 (result?)
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