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Subject: Re: Since the CPU is what really count for Chess !

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 19:55:41 03/19/03

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On March 19, 2003 at 16:04:04, Matt Taylor wrote:

>On March 19, 2003 at 14:04:27, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On March 19, 2003 at 12:58:07, Matt Taylor wrote:
>>
>>>On March 18, 2003 at 23:11:35, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>
>>>>On March 18, 2003 at 20:22:33, Jeremiah Penery wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>This exact discussion has taken place here at least twice before.  I'm not sure
>>>>>why Bob persists with his 120ns number, but no amount of convincing or data is
>>>>>going to change his mind.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Would you care to post some _exact_ data that disproves 120ns?  Did you see
>>>>Matt's number in the post parallel to yours?  Using current DDR ram speeds?
>>>>
>>>>So your "no amount of convincing" leaves me cold.  "no amount of data" has yet
>>>>been presented to show any machine with < 100ns latency.  Feel free to disprove
>>>>it but post your code.  Any old sloppy C code won't do, the code has to be
>>>>written to test latency, not prefetching or cache reuse.
>>>
>>>I used registered DDR which is slower, and being on SMP it will also be slower.
>>>It is conceivable that someone has ~100 ns latency. I'll try running the
>>>benchmark later on my nForce 2 board w/pc2100 CL 2.5 non-registered ram.
>>>
>>>-Matt
>>
>>
>>Actually I believe all our duals use registered DDR ram also, which probably
>>explains those near-150 ns numbers I have seen for the DDR machines.
>> 150 is way non-impressive.
>
>From what I understand, registered ram uses an SRAM cache. They copy the row
>into the cache and then close the row. This is supposed to conserve power, and
>they claim it makes it "more stable."
>
>-Matt

That was my interpretation as well.  However it seems that perhaps they dump
the entire N bytes they need _before_ clocking it onto the bus, which seems
odd and stretches latency for no real gain I can grasp.

That might account for the extra 20ns I am seeing on my DDRAM boxes.




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