Author: David Dory
Date: 22:58:16 04/02/03
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On April 02, 2003 at 11:38:29, Aaron Tay wrote: >On April 02, 2003 at 07:01:56, David Dory wrote: > >>On April 02, 2003 at 05:50:04, Aaron Tay wrote: >> >>>On April 02, 2003 at 00:17:29, David Dory wrote: >>> >>>>On April 01, 2003 at 20:29:19, Bruce Moreland wrote: >>>> >>>>>On April 01, 2003 at 19:55:32, David Dory wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>An obvious conflict of freedoms: not one Muslim country is a democracy. Not one. >>>>> >>>>>Turkey, Indonesia, and Pakistan. That's all I can think of now, but it would >>>>>not surprise me if there were more. >>>>> >>>>>But this kind of stuff is more appropriate for CTF, I think. >>>>> >>>>>bruce >>>> >>>>This exact question was asked this week to the government spokesman from Saudi >>>>Arabia. >>>> >>>>The spokesman agreed, there was NOT ONE Muslim country that was a democracy. >>>>Not a single one. >>>> >>>>Turkey is a secular country, IIRC, and Pakistan is a military dictatorship (he's >>>>**promised** to have elections, though :) ). >>>> >>>>You may think of Indonesia (which has a huge Muslim population), as the >>>>exception, but I defer to the Muslim spokesman from Saudi Arabia. He made it >>>>very clear. >>> >>>I submit respectfully the "muslim spokesman" is wrong. >>> >>>Malaysia is a democracy for one. So is Indonesia. >>> >>>Aaron >> >>These are both secular countries with lots of muslim citizens. They are not >>muslim countries, only following muslim law(s). > >It's seem to me then that your reasoning is circular. By your definition muslim >countries must be non-democratic. Any "muslim countries" with secular countries >are not "muslim countries". > > >BTW Malaysia does not follow muslim law (non-muslims have freedom to worship and >"muslim law" does not apply to them) altough in theory UMNO (the ruling party) >could lose the elections to PAS and they could make it so that muslim laws >applied to all. Would they be democractic then? > >Aaron If they had representative elections of their government officials, who in turn made their laws, yes. That would be a muslim democracy. IIUC. BTW this is not MY reasoning. The reasoning belongs to the foreign minister of Saudi Arabia. Clearly, as a muslim, a Saudi Prince, and a politician, he knows a LOT more about this topic than you or I, I'd wager. Dave
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