Author: Vincent Diepeveen
Date: 15:13:13 04/07/03
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On April 07, 2003 at 17:50:35, Uri Blass wrote: >On April 07, 2003 at 17:22:00, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: > >>On April 07, 2003 at 17:08:50, Uri Blass wrote: >> >>>On April 07, 2003 at 15:57:27, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >>> >>>>On April 07, 2003 at 10:15:22, Steve Maughan wrote: >>>> >>>>>Uri, >>>>> >>>>>I'll have a bash, >>>>> >>>>>>How much money (s)he can get from it in the following cases: >>>>>> >>>>>>1)The program is at similiar level to Crafty >>>>> >>>>>Not much. As a winboard engine (i.e. no GUI) then I'd expect you'd sell at most >>>>>50 copies. The price is not that important as long as it is less than $20 per >>>>>copy. Basically on 'collectors' would buy it. >>>>> >>>>>>2)The program is at similiar level to Ruffian >>>>> >>>>>This is probably the Gandalf 4 scenario. I'd expect you'd sell about 200 copies >>>>>(in total) as long as the price is $15 - $30 >>>>> >>>>>>3)The program is at similiar level to Fritz8 >>>>> >>>>>You will not have the brand equity of Fritz but I expect you'd sell about 500 to >>>>>1000 copies depending upon marketing. I doubt the price point can be any more >>>>>than $25 - $35 >>>> >>>>but how are you going to pay for those 10 hours you need for each person that >>>>buys your 'winboard' engine if it is without interface of its own? >>>> >>>>that's 10000 hours of helpdesk. no one can give helpdesk of 10k hours for just >>>>$30k a year. >>>> >>>>>>4)The program is 100 elo better than Fritz8 >>>> >>>>>You'd need good marketing but I think you could sell 3000 copies at this >>>>>strength - I recon you could also get $50 a copy. Of course if it was really >>>>>this strong your best bet would be to get someone like ChessBase to sell it. >>>>>Then I think you could sell 8000 copies at $45 i.e. quite serious money. >>>> >>>>isn't ruffian 100 points better than fritz8 when using same openingsbook? >>>> >>>>Please turn off learning in fritz (after each game delete book simply) and let >>>>it play at random. do same thing with ruffian. take care they use same PGN book. >>> >>>No need for pgn >>>You can play the nunn match under Fritz and use different positions than the >>>nunn positions. >>> >>>The difference between Ruffian and Fritz8 will be smaller than the difference in >>>the ssdf but I will be surprised if Ruffian discovered to be 100 elo better. >>> >>>I guess that Ruffian will be something like 50 elo weaker that means losing >>>450-350. >>> >>>Maybe somebody can do it because I do not have the time to do a fair match at >>>long time control between Ruffian and Fritz8.0.0.8 and I know your opinion about >>>blitz. >>> >>>opening positions can be chosen as all the possible 400 openings of 2 plies. >>>I hope that you do not claim that I chose these positions to help Fritz. >>> >>>If you do not like these positions I agree to different positions like random >>>800 positions from the games that programs got after 20 plies in the am/com >>>in WBEC. >>>> >>>>See who wins. my money on ruffian. >>>> >>>>ruffian is free engine. >>>> >>>>so that basically answers uri's question. >>>> >>>>A solution without interface never sells of course. >>> >>>The author of Ruffian never tried to sell it. >> >>No. >> >>I did do some serious matches ruffian versus others and it is not your -50 >>points but +100 points, so you have no right to guess here wildly. > >I read that the author of Ruffian claimed that he believes that Ruffian does not >earn more from time relative to other programs. > >I tend to believe more the author of Ruffian and not you. >You already said in the past a lot of things that were proved to be wrong. > >The last thing that I remember is about a drawn position when Diep >evaluated it as a win for black and yace on a slow hardware was right. > >Uri the only one who is continuesly disproving himself seems to be you though.
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