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Subject: Re: To Christophe Theron, RE: Tiger 15

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 10:52:30 04/11/03

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On April 11, 2003 at 13:37:37, Peter Berger wrote:

>On April 11, 2003 at 13:14:21, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On April 11, 2003 at 13:02:19, Peter Berger wrote:
>>
>>>On April 11, 2003 at 12:20:31, Christophe Theron wrote:
>>>
>>>>>That's a silly stance to take.  If you look at the progress of computer chess
>>>>>over the last 10 years I would wager the *vast* majority of the progress can be
>>>>>attributed to speedups in hardware.  Simple test - take a 10-year old chess
>>>>>program and run it on today's hardware and see what it's strength is.  (OK so
>>>>>maybe I'm overstating things here - this would be an interesting test, has it
>>>>>been done?)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>On equal hardware the programs of 10 years ago get slaughtered.
>>>
>>>This is not true at the very top IMHO if you make the comparison on 10 year old
>>>hardware. (I hope Genius 3 is 10 years old already :) ).
>>>
>>>On a 486DX50 Genius still is a powerhouse.
>>>
>>>Peter
>>
>>Does it have chances against the comercial of today in 120/40
>>when you use 486?
>
>I can only guess based on games/testresults I observed at faster timecontrols
>(g/30, g/60) that gave me the impression it can. I haven't let them play games
>at 120/40. Also there were not enough games.

Games against tiger for the palm were not on the same hardware.

Tiger for the palm had inferior hardware not only because of
speed of the machine but because of disadvantage in hash tables

New palm tiger does not suffer from the hash problem but the problem of hardware
is still significant.

Junior5(3 minutes) drew the nunn match against Fritz8(1 minute)

The result could be 10.5-9.5 for Fritz8 but Fritz8 lost on time one drawn
position)

The time advantage of genius in your games even if you ignore
the hash problem was bigger than 3:1.

My guess is that the best of today programs beat
programs of 10 years ago with time advantage of 3:1 even in blitz

Uri



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