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Subject: Re: Tablebases again

Author: Les Fernandez

Date: 12:10:07 06/17/03

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On June 17, 2003 at 11:27:39, Peter Skinner wrote:

>On June 17, 2003 at 10:57:13, James T. Walker wrote:
>
>>A couple of years ago I ran Crafty with tablebases vs Crafty without tablebases
>>to see if the tablebases helped any.  It was only 200 games and the Crafty with
>>tablebases came out ahead by a slim margin indicating that tablebases might be
>>worth 10-20 Elo points.  This time I used Fritz 8 w/wo tablebases and after 166
>>games Fritz with tablebases is about 10 Elo points ahead (85.5-80.5).  Still
>>probably not enough games for a definitive answer but another indication that
>>tablebases have a very minimal effect on strength if the program has decent
>>endgame stuff to begin with.  All games were on 2 XP2400+ machines using auto232

Perhaps with 3-4-5 and 6 egtb's the effect may be minimal but I suspect that as
the number of pieces in egtb's increases I suspect the elo to go up.  I also
suspect this would not be a linear effect.  However we all know how long and how
much space is needed to generate the egtb's beyond 6 but the above statement I
beleive still applies.  I also had run 1000's of games (crafty vs crafty) with
and without tablebases and did not see any noticeable benefit but I am still a
believer in them.  Hey Eugene when are you going to send Bob that next monstrous
set of 6 piece positions containing pawns??

>>and ALL 3/4/5 men tablebases.
>>Call me stubborn but I still prefer tablebases over no tablebases.
>>Jim
>
>Little Goliath is probably one of the best that _doesn't_ use tablebases. It
>seems to have enough end game knowledge to get by. Chess Tiger is another that
>comes to mind.
>
>For the most part I only use 3 and 4 man tbs. Sometimes I will use the entire
>onslaught of 5 and 6 man as well in computer games.



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