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Subject: Re: Zensur im CSS Forum (german only, because it's only of local interest)

Author: Manfred Meiler

Date: 12:17:26 06/24/03

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On June 24, 2003 at 14:06:17, Volker Pittlik wrote:

>On June 24, 2003 at 05:53:01, Franz Hagra wrote:
>
>...
>>In einer freien Gesellschaft (in diesem Fall Forum) sollte man auch Kritik
>>ertragen können, auch wenn diese manchmal etwas zu hart formuliert oder gar
>>unfair sein sollte - aber sie keinen Verstoß gegen Gesetze und die Menschenwürde
>>enthält, sollte man sie akzeptieren.
>>

>...
>
>The major problem in message boards of any kind (web forums, usenet,
>mailinglists) is not that some of them are moderated or that some messages are
>deleted or not published. The major problem is a group of maybe a dozen of
>selfcentered egomaniacs who disturb and destroy every normal communication.
>
>All of them are so convinced from their own point of view that they are
>absolutely unable to tolerate any other opinion. And those who have different
>opinions are treated by them as enemies. That is what they all have in common,
>the form how they express it is different. There are:
>
>- The testers who found a bug in a chess program and post it to a forum. The
>problem occurs when they do it (same bug) again and again and again and again
>and again and again and again... so often until they get banned. After that they
>complain about the violation of human rights.
>
>- Those who know *exactly* the one and only method how to test a program (the
>way they do it). Everyone who test in a different way is declared as to stupid
>to get things correctly.
>
>- Hobby brain scientists, wannabe psychologist and backyard philosophers who get
>vulgar if you disagree with them.
>
>- Pricesses who become "provoked" by you if they don't like your opinion.
>
>- Conspiracy theorist of all kind who found out that <insert-company-here> is
>going to dominate the entire world or that <insert-someone-you-don't-like> is
>supporting <insert-crime-here>.
>
>- Propagandists who found out that (mark your choice)
>
>  [ ] <insert-something here> variant of chess
>  [ ] <insert-something here> forum, website, ...
>  [ ] <someone they (don't) like>
>
>  [ ] is the solution of all problems of the entire world
>  [ ] is a major pain in the ass
>
>and share their recovery with us in every of their postings.
>
>- Not to forget those who are simply crazy and threat others with (box) fights
>or going so far in their conspiracy bullshit that their forum get closed by
>their provider and they still don't recognize that they've spead antisemitic
>crap.
>
>I read the CSS forum daily and what I'm really wondering is: why didn't I ever
>notice the "censorship" over there? And what does censorship mean? Basically it
>is a violation of the human right to express the disagreement of individuals
>with the leaders of the state they're living in. Freedom of speach is a right of
>citizens against their state, not against individuals or companies. It does not
>mean someone is allowed to be a guest in my house and call me an asshole. It
>also does not mean an employee is allowed to call the products of his employer
>pieces of shit. Of course everyone is allowed to think that or to say that, but
>if they do it in my house or at their company they have to expect legally
>consequences.
>
>Someone has been banned at the CSS Forum. That one wrote *in this forum* that
>CSS is supporting receiving of stolen goods. If you where them what would you
>do?
>
>Regards
>
>Volker Pittlik


Hi Volker,

danke für diese wirklich nachdenkenswerte und im übrigen brilliant formulierte
Analyse !

Thanks for this really think-worth and brilliant formulated analysis !
* sorry for my poor english *

Regards,
Manfred



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