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Subject: Re: Man vs Machine (120'/40) Utzinger-Junior8 (01) Draw (with diagram)

Author: Kurt Utzinger

Date: 02:12:36 07/19/03

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On July 19, 2003 at 04:32:14, Uri Blass wrote:

>On July 19, 2003 at 04:25:46, Kurt Utzinger wrote:
>
>>On July 19, 2003 at 04:18:39, Harald Faber wrote:
>>
>>>On July 19, 2003 at 04:14:27, Kurt Utzinger wrote:
>>>
>>>>On July 19, 2003 at 04:03:12, Harald Faber wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On July 19, 2003 at 03:38:26, Kurt Utzinger wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On July 19, 2003 at 03:36:24, Kurt Utzinger wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>At the moment I am a bit chess-tired and there decided to again start fighting
>>>>>>myself (1978 Elo) matches vs the strongest programs. Below the first commented
>>>>>>game. Where are the grandmaster moves? I could see none.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>How did you play the game? At the computer or with a real board? Did you see and
>>>>>follow the program's thinking on the screen?
>>>>
>>>>    Hi Harald
>>>>    I played the game with a real board. And of course did I not see
>>>>    the program's thinking on the screen. Otherwise it would be not
>>>>    fair and furthermore: this would not be a real training for me.
>>>>    Kurt
>>>
>>>
>>>OK, fine then and: chapeau!
>>>One final question: Did you play through some of your ideas on the board while
>>>Junior 8 was thinking? I wouldn't expect so but would be possible as well.
>>
>>     Hi Harald
>>     For me it was a real tournament game. And therefore I did not allow
>>     myself to play through some of my ideas on the board. And by the way,
>>     I would dare say that no computer programm will be able to beat me at
>>     tournament level if I could see the thinking process of the engine.
>>     Kurt
>
>You cannot be sure about the last point.
>
>It is possible that the program did not see some tactics when it played or
>pondered but after you play it can search deeper so it can see the tactics.
>
>Uri

     Hi Uri
     Agreed, my statement was somewhat exaggerated but in principle
     correct in cases where there are no sharp opening lines on the
     board.
     Kurt



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