Author: Vincent Diepeveen
Date: 05:52:45 07/27/03
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On July 27, 2003 at 08:28:49, Jonas Bylund wrote: >On July 27, 2003 at 07:37:31, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: > >>On July 27, 2003 at 06:31:58, Jonas Bylund wrote: >> >>>On July 26, 2003 at 17:22:02, Russell Reagan wrote: >>> >>>>On July 26, 2003 at 16:25:37, O. Veli wrote: >>>> >>>>>Since it is hardware, can >>>>>we expect to be stronger than top software? >>>> >>>>I would expect it to be slower than top software, because cpu improvements >>>>happen so quickly, and FPGA programming (from what I've heard) is not a simple >>>>task. If he spends another two years working on it before releasing it (as >>>>Slater said), just imagine how much faster the cpus will be by then. >>>> >>>>If you're talking about something massively parallel like Deep Blue, that is one >>>>thing, but a single PCI card? I doubt that is going to do any better than break >>>>even with top of the line hardware, so why bother? IBM threw so much hardware at >>>>the problem that desktop cpu improvements wouldn't catch up for a LONG time, but >>>>a single PCI card doesn't seem to be worth the trouble of programming the thing, >>>>because desktop/server cpus will probably outperform it before too long. >>> >>>The way i understand it, the whole idea with running FPGA is that no matter how >>>much knowledge you add, you won't lose speed, will that not more than compensate >>>for the PC programs gain through faster hardware? >> >>Quote from Chrilly Donninger Paderborn, februari a few years ago (98 or my >>memory says 99 now): >> "I do not believe in knowledge at all Vincent. You are taking the wrong path. >>Nimzo in fact only grew stronger when i REMOVED knowledge from it". > >You kind of missed th point here, 1) Chrilly said in an interview that adding >more knowledge would not slow down the engine when using FPGA (which probably >also mean that your quote is outdated in the sense that some people have the >ability to change their point of view) >2) The question was not wether Chilly believe/d in more or less knowledge= more >or less strenght, the question was if the assumption that adding knowledge to >the FPGA does not slow down the search is true, then does that not potentially >compensate for hardware gain in conventional PC systems? > >>Someone who always follows simple solutions i could not possibly believe he >>manages to put a lot of knowledge in hardware. Where 'a lot' is measured by 2300 >>FM standards. > >Well this sounds like speculation to me, besides "someone" never always follow >the same exact patterns, that is too black and white (no pun intended). > >Oh and BTW i did not know that 'a lot' had a rating :) As an email or 200 where i can proof it with from Chrilly, Chrilly is a very black and white person. For example: if you are american you are BAD. If you are not american then you are good. Simplicity is exactly how a computer works. That makes Chrilly very dangerous because he is always focussing upon the most important aspect and that is to WIN a game. Chrilly is very good in that. Making a product that wins games, even if it must use processors from wood :) >Jonas
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