Author: Komputer Korner
Date: 23:51:52 10/31/98
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On October 31, 1998 at 22:34:01, Larry S. Tamarkin wrote:
>Rebel10 is an amazing program! (as was Rebel9) Probably it is not quite as
>strong in 10 or 15 minute BLITZ agianst Junior5 or Fritz5, but as far as
>features are concerned it really can't be beat. Its possible too that with the
>'Anti GM' feature it is stronger against humans, then agianst other programs.
>We'll have to see over time. Certainly is chess 'Style', (whatever that is), is
>most interesting and worth buying the program for. As far as recommending one
>program, in preference to the others I can't do that - I recommend them all!
>But I do highly recommend Rebel10, as a way to support the Schoeder company. I
>will buy the upgrade, just as soon as I can afford it.
>
>Also buying Rebel10, you get to download additional material from the Rebel
>homepage. And you get the Beta of Rebel for Windoz when it comes out to, so if
>don't like Dos very much, you only must 'live' with it a short time.
>
>I think most significantly of all, Ed Shroeder 'lurks' here in this chess club
>and truly listens to the concerns of the most chess suavy group. So if
>something important has to be done for his program, he is immediately aware and
>sometimes meets the group (I hesitate to call us a MOB:)) desire...
>
>mrslug - the inkompetent chess software addict!
>
>
>On October 31, 1998 at 20:29:17, Ron King wrote:
>
>>I need some input reguarding the purchase of new software. I would like
>>to find out what feelings are comparing Rebel 10 to the rest of the latest
>>chess software?
Larry I like Rebel 10 a lot also. It has at least 17 features that Junior5
doesn't have but I take exception to your comment that Rebel 10 has the best
features. In areas of analyzing a completed game such as, Does it allow more
than 1 engine to analyze different parts of
the game? Junior 5 and Fritz 5 do
Does it provide a Super analyze blundercheck capability which will
analyze variations? Fritz 5 and Junior 5 do
Is there a correspondence analyze feature that allows analysis of
1 position and generates sub lines of analysis on screen Fritz 5 and Junior 5
Is there a graphical representation of the score evaluation of
each position? Fritz 5 and Junior 5
Can the program mark games with different types of analysis?
Fritz 5/Junior 5 can do the following:
Annotation type letters:
v = some variations
V = many variations
R = huge nested variations ("repertoire")
S = symbols but no text
C = text
I = contains critical positions
A = contains colored squares or arrows
T = contains training questions
M = contains multimedia annotations
G = contains a game quotation
Can Rebel 10 do the following Edit a user book with on screen engine analysis,
or present a user editable chess tree that shows all transpositions, as well as
an explain all moves feature which orders the moves by their score as well as
having the capability of multi PV analysis, along with access to theme keys and
endgame keys as well as user editable keys with the free CB Light, and
multitasking with other programs or merging multiple games into one game,
printing directly from program both moves and diagrams, coach feature, showing
on screen variations and a feature whereby training arrows are used in colour
on the board plus semi intelligent mouse. Fritz 5 and Junior 5 do all this. plus
Junior 5 does 2 more such as pasting of engine analysis right into move list,
and a contempt feature.
I count 18 features that Fritz 5 and Junior 5 have that Rebel 10 doesn't and if
you only count Junior 5 it has 2 extra features to make a total of 20 . The
following are the 17 features that Rebel 10 has that Fritz 5 and Junior 5 don't
have.
1) Uneditable EOC tree info available on screen at same time as engine analysis
2) Tree shows name of opening and the ECO code of each candidate
3) Tree shows how often the strongest players played the candidates
4) Free index allows you to put any text in a special text field that can be the
subject of a search
5)global edit of this special index text field.
6) search on materiel ( both Rebel 10 and Fritz Junior 5 have search on position
and the position search mask of Fritz/Junior 5 contains search on patterns that
Rebel 10 has as a separate search feature.
7) Rebel 10 is number 1 for showing engine screen info
8) 4 board simultaneous feature
9) 4 board clipboard
10) Remove doubles on any size of DB
11) Overview top 40 stats
12) Analyze book with engine inserting evaluations into it
13) Energy level mode
14)Analyze EPD
15) Random move feature
16) defineable buttons
17) blindfold chess
So in the end Larry, it is a tossup between Fritz 5 and Rebel 5 for number of
features. However when you include the 2 extra features of Junior 5 , the
contempt feature and the pasting of PV analysis right into the move list, this
has to tip the balance to Junior 5. The difference in strength isn't enough to
worry about. I couldn't say for sure which engine is stronger anyway. You will
probably say that Rebel's features of the EOC chess tree info is important and
it is a nice feature, along with the 4 board simultaneous feature and the 4
board clipboard and the top 40 information and the remove doubles but when you
look at Junior 5/Fritz 5's analyzing and move list features and it's editable
transposition showing tree, and Junior 5's 2 extra features, my mind is made up
for choosing Junior 5. It is a tough call though.
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Komputer Korner
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