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Subject: Re: Position analysis - Fritz 8 took 8 minutes to find move!

Author: John Merlino

Date: 22:57:35 09/02/03

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On September 02, 2003 at 21:08:18, Richard Patterson wrote:

>On September 02, 2003 at 20:12:21, John Merlino wrote:
>
>>On September 02, 2003 at 10:36:55, Richard Patterson wrote:
>>
>>>In this position Fritz 8 analysis took 8 minutes to find RD1-G1 but the move
>>>score was not much different than the other two best moves QA7-C7 or RD1xD7. The
>>>analysis was not much different 22 minutes with RD1-G1 still leading by .70 over
>>>the other moves. The analysis at 30+ minutes gave RD1-G1 (+30.38) a decisive
>>>advantage over moves #2 QA7-C7 (+16.06) and #3 RD1xD7 (+15.34).
>>>
>>>How does your favorite chess program see this position.
>>>
>>>Richard
>>>
>>>[d]2b5/Q2n3k/2p1p3/1p2Br2/p7/P3P2p/5P2/2KR4 w - - 0 27
>>
>>Chessmaster 9000, on a P4-2.4, needs 7:34 to find Rg1, and announces Mate in 13
>>when it chooses it:
>>
>>Time	Depth	Score	Positions	Moves
>>0:00	1/3	9.31	2917		27.Rxd7+ Kg6 28.Rg7+ Kh5 29.Rh7+
>>					Kg4 30.Qd4+ Kf3 31.Rxh3+ Kxf2
>>0:00	1/4	11.75	9331		27.Rxd7+ Kg6 28.Rh7 Bb7 29.Qxb7
>>					Rxf2 30.Qg7+ Kf5 31.Rxh3
>>0:00	1/5	12.20	39566		27.Rxd7+ Bxd7 28.Qxd7+ Kg6 29.Qxe6+
>>					Kg5 30.f4+ Kg4 31.e4 Kg3 32.Qxf5
>>0:00	1/6	12.91	91329		27.Rxd7+ Bxd7 28.Qxd7+ Kg6 29.Qxe6+
>>					Kg5 30.f4+ Kg4 31.Qg6+ Kf3 32.Qxf5
>>					Kg3 33.Qg6+ Kf3 34.Qxc6+ Kxe3 35.Qxb5
>>0:00	1/7	12.91	179440		27.Rxd7+ Bxd7 28.Qxd7+ Kg6 29.Qxe6+
>>					Kg5 30.f4+ Kg4 31.Qg6+ Kf3 32.Qxf5
>>					Kg3 33.Qg6+ Kf3 34.Qxc6+ Kxe3 35.Qxb5
>>0:02	1/8	13.19	537656		27.Rxd7+ Bxd7 28.Qxd7+ Kg6 29.Qxe6+
>>					Kg5 30.f4+ Kg4 31.Qg6+ Kf3 32.Qxf5
>>					Kg3 33.Qe4 Kf2 34.f5
>>0:08	2/9	14.79	2023359		27.Rxd7+ Bxd7 28.Qxd7+ Kg6 29.Qxe6+
>>					Kg5 30.f4+ Kg4 31.Qg6+ Kf3 32.Qxf5
>>					Kg3 33.Qg5+ Kf3 34.Qh5+ Kxe3 35.Qxh3+
>>					Ke4 36.Qh1+ Kf5 37.Qxc6
>>0:29	3/10	14.92	7585028		27.Rxd7+ Bxd7 28.Qxd7+ Kg6 29.Qxe6+
>>					Kg5 30.f4+ Kg4 31.Qg6+ Kf3 32.Qxf5
>>					Kg3 33.Qg5+ Kf3 34.Qh5+ Kxe3 35.Qxh3+
>>					Ke4 36.Qg2+ Kf5 37.Qc2+ Kg4 38.Qxc6
>>1:45	4/11	15.11	28225270	27.Rxd7+ Bxd7 28.Qxd7+ Kg6 29.Qxe6+
>>					Kg5 30.f4+ Kg4 31.Qg6+ Kf3 32.Qxf5
>>					Kg3 33.Qg5+ Kf3 34.Qh5+ Ke4 35.Qh7+
>>					Kf3 36.Qxh3+ Ke4 37.Bd6
>>7:10	5/12	15.33	116982788	27.Rxd7+ Bxd7 28.Qxd7+ Kg6 29.Qxe6+
>>					Kg5 30.f4+ Kg4 31.Qg6+ Kf3 32.Qxf5
>>					Kg3 33.Qg5+ Kf3 34.Qh5+ Kg2 35.f5
>>					c5 36.Qe2+ Kg1 37.Qh2+ Kf1 38.Qxh3+
>>					Ke2
>>7:34	5/12	Mate13	124074955	27.Rg1 h2 28.Bxh2 Rc5+ 29.Kb1 Bb7
>>					30.Qxb7 Rd5 31.Qc8 Nf6 32.Qxe6
>>					Rd1+ 33.Rxd1 Nd5 34.Qf7+ Kh6 35.Bf4+
>>					Nxf4 36.Rh1+ Kg5 37.exf4+ Kg4 38.Qh5+
>>					Kxf4 39.Rh4#
>>
>>jm
>
>Hi John,
>
>That sure is nice. I have CM9000 so I tried it. I have one question since I am
>learning how all this relates. My Pentium 4 2.66 got mate in 13 with the
>following stats
>
>10:45   5/12     Mate13   202379725
>
>My question is I have made no changes to CM9000 from a normal install and
>updated on the internet but it shows 202379725 positions while you have
>124074955. I knew nothing about chess programs and how they work a few months
>ago, so I am trying to catch on quickly :)
>
>Richard

I changed the Mentor engine's hash table size to 64MB. You can do this by going
to "Mentor -> Preferences". It can make a fairly sizeable difference in speed
when you are doing lengthy analysis.

jm



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