Author: Ed Schröder
Date: 16:24:36 10/18/03
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On October 18, 2003 at 19:15:36, Uri Blass wrote: >On October 18, 2003 at 18:49:15, Ed Schröder wrote: > >>On October 18, 2003 at 17:35:39, Thorsten Czub wrote: >> >>>On October 18, 2003 at 15:17:21, Jeroen Noomen wrote: >>> >>>>1.Nc3 Nf6 2.Nf3 d5 >>>> >>>>HERE the King was out of book! >>> >>>why is the king chosing a line, where it is out of book itself meanwhile the >>>opponent is still in the opening book ? >>> >>>If you would be the operator, or the programmer, wouldn't you try out >>>(if you choose to play 1.Nc3) >>>how the commercial version of your opponnent PLAYS when you play 1.Nc3 ? >>>this would be the first thing i would try on the hotel room. >>> >>>And - surprise surprise: rebel is still in book and would play... >>> >>> >>>>3.d4 g6 4.Bf4 Bg7 5.e3 O-O 6.Be2 c5 7.dxc5 Nbd7 >>> >>>>AND here Rebel was on its own. >>> >>>yes. O-O was expected. >>> >>>but surprise surprise, Nb5 comes. which forces the next moves. >>> >>>>8.Nb5 a6 9.Nc7 Ra7 10.Nxd5 Nxd5 11.Qxd5 Bxb2 >>> >>>this is a really nice situation. black has no chance to do anything. >>>it can only RE-ACT. >>> >>>thats exactly how i would like to see it happen as white. >>> >>> >>> >>>12.O-O!? >>> >>>>Surprise, surprise! >>> >>>good programs see O-O. >>> >>> >>>>Bxa1 13.Rxa1 Nf6? >>> >>>>THIS is wrong!! >>> >>>yes. >>> >>> >>> >>>> After 13 ... Qa5! 14.Bh6 Qxc5 15.Qxc5 Nxc5 16.Bxf8 Kxf8 >>>>black's position is OK. White is more active, but black has the better >>>>pawn position. Equal I would say. >>>> >>>>14.Qe5 Be6 15.Bh6 Re8 16.Rd1 Qb8 17.Rd6!! >>>> >>>>BRILLIANT and probably already decisive! A typical King stroke. >>>> >>>>b5 18.Nd2! Bf5 19.g4 Rd7 20.gxf5 Rxd6 >>>>21.cxd6 Qxd6 22.Qxd6 exd6 23.c4 bxc4 24.Bxc4 d5 25.Bb3 Ne4 26.Nf3 Nc3 >>>>27.Nd4 a5 28.a4 Rb8 29.Nc6 Rb6 30.Ne7+ Kh8 31.Bxd5 gxf5 32.Bc6 f4 >>>>33.Bxf4 Ne2+ 34.Kg2 Nxf4+ 35.exf4 Rb8 36.Bb5 Ra8 37.Kf3 Kg7 38.Nc6 f6 >>>>39.Ke4 Kf7 40.Kd4 Ke6 41.Bd3 Kd6 42.h3 h6 43.Be2 Re8 44.Bb5 Ra8 45.Ke4 Ke6 >>>>46.Be2 f5+ 47.Kd4 Kf6 48.Bf3 Rc8 49.h4 Rc7 50.h5 Rd7+ 51.Kc3 Rc7 52.Kc4 Rb7 >>>>53.Nxa5 Rb2 54.Nc6 Rxf2 55.Ne5 Ra2 56.Bc6 Rf2 57.Nd3 Ra2 1-0 >>>> >>>>>Why is Rebel playing the same line my commercial rebel plays ? >>>> >>>>Hm, you foresaw the line 1.Nc3 Nf6 2.Nf3 coming?! >>> >>>2.Nf6 is in rebel12 commercial-book. >>>it's very easy to find out. >>>buy it. >>>input Nc3 and look how commercial rebel would have played ! >>>not much intelligence needed to find out. >> >>>if you would play against a program 1.Nc3, wouldn't you try it out >>>before you play a game in a tournament what this program plays IF you do ?? >> >>You are just angry Rebel lost, that's okay :) it's not okay to blame it on >>Jeroen. Blame Rebel for 13..Nf6? >> >>Ed > >I do not think that this subject is anout feeling. > >The point is that it is a mistake to use the commercial book because it means >that you may be victim for traps. > >The question if chessmaster won the game because of trap or not is not >important. > >The important thing to learn is to change the book not to allow traps. > >You can expect every legal move as first move in preperation so good book >preperation may be to change every reply to first move that is not normal. > >For example you may even have Nc3 a6 in the book only to take the opponent out >of prepared lines but I guess that there is a better move that is not in Rebel's >commercial book. > >1.Nc3 is easier for preperation than 1.e4 because after 1.e4 the engine may >play many different lines so preperation even against the book is harder >so the important thing for the people who write the book is to concentrate on >rare lines to change the reply in them. But Jeroen (since years) isn't playing with the commercial book on tournaments. The book for tournaments is secret. Is it perfect yet? By no means, probably never. My best, Ed
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