Author: Drexel,Michael
Date: 13:01:30 10/21/03
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On October 21, 2003 at 13:31:41, Peter Berger wrote:
>On October 21, 2003 at 12:43:40, Drexel,Michael wrote:
>
><snip>
>>>Shredder seems to like 22...Rg6
>>>
>>>22...Rg6 23.Bxg6 hxg6 24.Nxb4 0-0-0
>>
>>Yes, this line doesn't seem to be clearly lost for black and 22.Qh5 Bxc6 23.dxc6
>>Rg6 seems to be a draw although it looks dangerous on first sight.
>>The question is if there exists something better than 19.Nc6.
>
><snip>
>>I can easily get a draw against Fritz 8 in that line.
>>But of course I am not satisfied with a draw against Fritz :)
>>
>>Maybe we should put forward this line to Garry.
>>He IS happy to draw the machines.
>>
>>Michael
>
>I have been following this discussion with great interest, but I haven't found a
>better line for black yet.
>
>>
>>[Event "Blitz:30'+2""]
>>[Site "München"]
>>[Date "????.??.??"]
>>[Round "?"]
>>[White "Fritz 8"]
>>[Black "Drexel, Michael"]
>>[Result "1/2-1/2"]
>>[PlyCount "58"]
>>[TimeControl "1800+2"]
>>
>>{64MB, Fritz8.ctg, ATHLONXP} 1. e4 {0} c5 {1} 2. Nf3 {0} d6 {1} 3. d4 {0} cxd4
>>{1} 4. Nxd4 {0} Nf6 {1} 5. Nc3 {0} a6 {(Nc6) 1} 6. Bg5 {0} e6 {3} 7. f4 {0} Be7
>>{0} 8. Qf3 {0} Qc7 {0} 9. O-O-O {0} Nbd7 {1} 10. g4 {0} b5 {1} 11. Bxf6 {0}
>>Nxf6 {1} 12. g5 {0} Nd7 {1} 13. f5 {0} Nc5 {1} 14. f6 {0} gxf6 {2} 15. gxf6 {0}
>>Bf8 {1} 16. Rg1 {0} b4 {(h5) 2} 17. Nd5 {0} exd5 {1} 18. exd5 {0} Nd7 {(Bd7) 2}
>>19. Nc6 {0} Bb7 {4} 20. Bh3 {0} Ne5 {(Bxc6) 3} 21. Rge1 {0} Rg8 {(Bh6+) 7
>
>But I wanted to make a suggestion for White instead. How about 21. Rde1 ? It
>looks natural and logical to me - it also stops your plan of defense. I haven't
>got a database or chessbooks around currently to check if this is a well-known
>one and if it works as I think it does.
I assume a database or books wont help you much here. I found only games from
'weak' players with 21.Rde1. I have an old Najdorf for the tournament player
book.
The line 20...Ne5 is not in the book.
I thought about this idea too, Peter.
It stops Black from playing Rg8 but on the other hand a Rook on d1 is very
useful in this line. After 21.Rge1 the continuation Bxc6 22.dxc6 Rb8 loses due
to 23.Rxe5+ dxe5 24.Bd7+ Kd8 25.Qd5 Bd6 26.Qxf7 +-.
Without a Rook on d1 the move order Bxc6 22.dxc6 Rb8 is possible (see below)
I am really not a strong tactician so I am not able to figure out so quickly
what is exactly going here.
If black can not activate his rooks quickly he would be completely lost in all
those lines.
My conclusion is that it is not yet clear that 16...b4 loses.
Anyway, the lines in the commercial books are for sure not long enough.
Michael
[Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2003.10.21"]
[Round "?"]
[White "?"]
[Black "?"]
[Result "*"]
[PlyCount "52"]
[EventDate "2003.10.21"]
1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 a6 6. Bg5 e6 7. f4 Be7 8. Qf3
Qc7 9. O-O-O Nbd7 10. g4 b5 11. Bxf6 Nxf6 12. g5 Nd7 13. f5 Nc5 14. f6 gxf6 15.
gxf6 Bf8 16. Rg1 b4 17. Nd5 exd5 18. exd5 Nd7 19. Nc6 Bb7 20. Bh3 Ne5 21. Rde1
Bxc6 22. dxc6 Rb8 23. Qd5 (23. Kb1 Rb5) (23. Rxe5+ dxe5 24. Bd7+ Kd8 25. Rd1 (
25. Qd5 Qa7 (25... Rb6 26. Rd1 Qd6) 26. Bf5+ Kc7 27. Qxf7+ Kb6 28. Qxa7+ Kxa7
29. c7 Bh6+ 30. Kd1 Rbf8) 25... Bd6 (25... Qa5 26. Rd5 Bc5 (26... Rb5 27. c7+)
27. Qe4 Kc7 28. Qxe5+ Kb6) 26. Qd5 Rf8) 23... Kd8 (23... Rb5 24. Rxe5+ Kd8 25.
Re8+ Kxe8 26. Bd7+ Kd8 27. Qxf7 Re5 28. Rg8) 24. Bf1 (24. Rxe5 Bh6+ 25. Kb1 (
25. Reg5 Rb5) 25... Rb5) 24... Nxc6 (24... Bh6+ 25. Kb1 Nxc6 26. Rg4 Rb6 27.
Rh4 (27. Rc4 Qd7 28. Bh3 (28. Re7 Nxe7 29. fxe7+ Kxe7 30. Re4+ Kd8 31. Qd4 Kc7
32. Qxh8 d5 33. Re1) 28... Qxh3 29. Rxc6 Rxc6 30. Qxc6 Qd7) 27... Bf8 28. Rhe4
Qd7 29. Qh5) 25. Rg4 (25. Bc4 Bh6+ 26. Kb1 Bf4 27. Rg4 (27. Bxa6 Ne5 28. Re4
Qb6) 27... Be5 28. Rg7 Rf8 29. Rxh7) 25... b3 (25... Rb6 26. Rc4 Kc8 27. Bg2
Kb7 28. Ree4) 26. axb3 Nb4 *
>
>Peter
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