Author: Drexel,Michael
Date: 08:24:28 10/30/03
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On October 30, 2003 at 11:09:41, Uri Blass wrote: >On October 30, 2003 at 11:04:57, Drexel,Michael wrote: > >>On October 30, 2003 at 10:30:02, José Carlos wrote: >> >>>On October 30, 2003 at 09:57:18, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >>> >>>>On October 30, 2003 at 08:21:14, Uri Blass wrote: >>>> >>>>>On October 30, 2003 at 08:07:01, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On October 30, 2003 at 06:07:37, Uri Blass wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On October 30, 2003 at 04:12:14, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On October 30, 2003 at 03:41:42, Uri Blass wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>I do not understand what all this discussion is about. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Can you explain what is the subject that you disagree with Bob. >>>>>>>>>You say nothing against Vincent who attack Jeroen for no reason. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>I'm replying to that in another thread. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Jeroen could prepare some book to avoid draw between Sjeng and Tiger and Rebel. >>>>>>>>>Jeroen did not do it. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>The company who sells all the 3 programs is the same so it is clear that draw >in these games is the worst result for commercial reasons because it increase >>>>>>>>>the chances of another program to win. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>I don't understand, shouldn't other people be happy that we refuse to 'fix' >>>>>>>>the results? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Of course but Vincent said in >>>>>>> >>>>>>>http://www.talkchess.com/forums/1/message.html?324307 >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Though i commercially can understand the idea, from sportive viewpoint i find it >>>>>>>very disgusting. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>My point is that if Jeroen can do disgusting things for commercial reasons the >>>>>>>first thing that I expect him to do it is not to do draws between the programs. >>>>>> >>>>>>For the same reason i expect a draw in world champs 2003 between Fritz and >>>>>>Brutus. >>>>>> >>>>>>Imagine the very well sold commercial program at a small PC, whose public >>>>>>statement is that it only learns through search, it plays a 6 times faster >>>>>>opponent who in its evaluation is applying double the knowledge. >>>>>> >>>>>>Normally spoken that is a loss by natural induction with small draw chances. >>>>> >>>>>Not that I suspect that chessbase is going to cheat for commercial reasons but >>>>>for commercial reasons I see no reason to do a draw. >>>>>If chessbase want to sell Fritz and agree to cheat for that purpose then a win >>>>>for Fritz is better than a draw. >>>> >>>>I have not accused chessbase nor lokasoft nor schroeder BV from cheating in this >>>>respect. >>>> >>>>These are your words. >>>> >>>>There is a large gray area between cheating and not providing the best for a >>>>certain engine. >>>> >>>>In the case of brutus we talk about an austrian program which is better with an >>>>austrian openingsbook creator. >>>> >>>>How can he have peace with Fritz beating Brutus? >>>> >>>>The only compromis to keep all sides happy is a draw. >>>> >>>>You should take the compromis culture of western-europe into consideration for >>>>matters like these. >>> >>> In that case take Spain out of western-europe, please. Go cheating somewhere >>>else. >>> >>> José C. >> >>Do you want to say in your country are no cheaters? >>I played against some time cheaters from Spain on playchess server many months >>ago. >>At least they claimed to be Spaniards. >> >>Michael > >If they are cheaters, then the fact that they claimed to be spaniards suggest >that they are not spaniards. > > >Jos also did not claim that there are no cheaters in spain. > >Saying that the culture of spain is to cheat is not the same as saying that >there are cheaters in spain. > >Uri I don't hope the 'culture' of any western-european country is to cheat. Two chessplayers from the same chessclub decide to make an early draw in a tournament. This happens quite often. AFAIK it is not regarded as cheating, although I always prefer to play. Michael
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