Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 13:51:28 11/11/98
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On November 11, 1998 at 15:44:32, Peter Hegger wrote: >On November 10, 1998 at 17:27:43, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On November 10, 1998 at 10:56:40, Peter Hegger wrote: >> >>>On November 09, 1998 at 14:30:31, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>> >>>>On November 09, 1998 at 12:39:46, odell hall wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>>On November 09, 1998 at 09:21:50, Peter Hegger wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>Hello, My name is Deep Blue >>>>>> >>>>>>Did I ever tell you about the ten game match I played a few years back? >>>>>>Well, I played all the leading micros and made a perfect 10-0 score against >>>>>>them. Wiped them all off the board easily. >>>>>>What? You want to see the games? >>>>>>Oh no sorry, I couldn't possibly do that. >>>>>>You'll just have to take my word for it that it really happened. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>You are exactly right! If the match did in fact happen why haven't they >>>>>published the games? The kasparov match is over so they can't fear that kasparov >>>>>will see the games. What other possible motivation for not revealing the games >>>>>other than that it never occured!! >>>> >>>>If you want to believe that pigs can fly, that there is a free lunch, and that >>>>this match never happened, go right ahead. P.T. Barnum had a comment that fits >>>>really well. >>>> >>>>As to why won't they say anything? After all the obnoxious posts here about >>>>deep blue and how badly it plays and how lucky it was to beat kasparov and >>>>how it can't hold a light to todays micros, maybe, just maybe, they don't give >>>>a damn about what anyone here thinks? Wouldn't blame them in the least... >>>> >>>>Never seen such a bunch of closed minds... of course when something is closed >>>>that tightly, it is *very dark* inside... >>> >>>Quite the contrary. >>>It is because I am looking at the issue with an open mind that I pose the >>>question about the games. >>>For Hsu and Campbell to say that these games were not considered important >>>enough to record strains credibility. >> >> >>Why would this be true? I played a long match vs genius several years ago and >>beat it nearly every game (using a Cray) and with significant time odds to boot. >>I expected to win, I did, and I didn't save a single game score because I didn't >>consider those games particularly remarkable... > >So you're saying you tied up the resources of a multi-million dollar computer >just to have a "for fun" match against genius? I didn't realize computer time on >mainframes was that easy to come by. For me, it was... if the "time" wasn't important. I used to get all the dedicated YMP or C90 time I wanted... at say 2am-6am in the morning. In the case of the above match, the purpose was to test our search extensions and eval changes, getting ready for an upcoming ACM event... > >>I'd suspect Hsu did the same. They told me about the match months after it had >>been done. By the time I reported it the data was gone. What was worth saving? >> >>IE I play new programs on ICC all the time, and they generally lose every game >>for the first few months until they become more "complete." I don't file those >>games away... what would be the reason? > >No reason at all to save games like this, I can play the same programs at the >kitchen table. But on the rare occasions when one has access to "big iron" I >would think any game would be worth recording. >Just my opinion >Peter That is the difference between someone that sees this every day, and someone that hardly ever sees a supercomputer play chess. What is mundane to me might be earth-shaking to you.. and yes, that can be a problem... but take the above and think about things from Hsu's vantage point..
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