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Subject: Re: Why can't Kasparov play Shredder 7.04 or 8.0?

Author: Drexel,Michael

Date: 23:40:15 11/05/03

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On November 05, 2003 at 22:50:16, Bob Bachman wrote:

>On November 05, 2003 at 20:58:31, Sally Weltrop wrote:
>
>>On November 05, 2003 at 18:37:24, Drexel,Michael wrote:
>>
>>>On November 05, 2003 at 17:24:27, stuart taylor wrote:
>>>
>>>>Why can't the real interests and passions of the chess (computer) world be given
>>>>more consideration, in having Kasparov play something which has already been top
>>>>for some time, and is clearly reported to be stronger at next release, such as
>>>>Shredder?
>>>>
>>>>Kasparov already played fritz recently (or was it Kramnik? same thing really)
>>>>and both Fritz and Junior achieved the disgusting result (for their rivals) of a
>>>>draw each in matches against the two top humans.
>>>>
>>>>Why do we need more of that now?
>>>>
>>>>All we want to see now is that Kasparov is ripped to shreds from software, and
>>>>that will make us completely sure that computers are better from then on, and
>>>>then we won't need any more such matches. So in order to achieve this, wouldn't
>>>>it be better to have the best possible program against him?
>>>>
>>>>Do we have to waste another few years to see what we want to see? Isn't it
>>>>public inconvenience?
>>>>
>>>>If now he either draws again, or wins by half a point, wouldn't it be more
>>>>meaningful (showing that Kasparov is not beatable by a machine quite yet) if the
>>>>program he plays against is as much as possible stronger (and different) from
>>>>the last programs which Kasparov and Kamnik drew with?
>>>>
>>>>S.Taylor
>>>
>>>All these matches are show events with little sportive value.
>>>X3D,Chessbase and Kasparov are interested in maximizing the profit, therefore
>>>all those decisions.
>>>
>>>Thats business...
>>>
>>>Btw, even a 4-0 result for Fritz wouldn't make us completely sure that computers
>>>are better from then on.
>>>This is pure nonsense.
>>
>>I totally agree with u Mike. It's all balogna! It'll only mean something once
>>they have a match where GK has to fight for every game to win some money. They
>>are so consumed in their own PR and BS that they don't see that the whole thing
>>means poop to anyone with brains and as you stated above it's meaningless for
>>chess vs computer endeavors.
>>>
>>>Michael
>
>People
>
>I do not get it. If it is all a conspiracy simply do not watch it, or try to
>make statements about results of various games or the match. After all the fix
>is in.
>
>If the corporatitons have the fix in, tell me the result now and the reason for
>it before the match.  I am sorry it is hard for me to think of Chessbase as the
>corporation manipulating international chess results, please!

I also do not get it.
Has anyone in this thread wrote about conspiracy or fixed results?
You are wide off the mark.

Those matches are getting shorter:
8 games,6 games and now only 4 games.

Kasparov has almost nothing to lose.
Who can take a 4 games match in 'total virtual reality' seriously?

The term used in sports for this is 'exhibition match'.

Michael

>
>Time for an analogy. Do you watch any professional sports? How many athletes
>(except golfers and tennis players) are paid purely by results. I therefore
>conclude by the logic of this thread that all sports other than tennis and golf
>are fixed.
>
>Stop watching football, ice hockey, soccer etc because it is all manipulated. Do
>these kinds of ideas actually occur in other sports. I think not. We are a most
>suspicious lot.
>
>Bob



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