Author: Thorsten Czub
Date: 05:46:14 11/15/98
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On November 15, 1998 at 02:45:54, Ed Schröder wrote: >You have your facts completely wrong Thorsten. i don't think so. >Let me summarize.... >#1. There were 3 people who had the F5 autoplayer (F5A) and they >sometimes passed information about the thing here in CCC. Right. they sometimes passed information here = they made hidden advertising for fritz. >#2. One of them said: "F5A does not save opponent games". Exactly. >#3. I then reacted: >a) This is horrible, it might influence the learner of opponents programs. >I was talking about ALL programs. >b) I also said: I can't proof if this is the case for my OWN creation Rebel >because the F5A is not public. how mean of them :-))) >c) I also said: I have looked at the Rebel code and it is unlikely there is >harm done to Rebel's learner but I can't exclude the possibility. After all >the F5A is hidden from me and it is against the auto232 protocol not to >save the game. The game should be there but the Rebel driver is >overruled by the F5A driver and this is unacceptable. exactly. unacceptable. but does this harm chessbase :-))) >What I wrote was a complaint against "hidden" autoplayers and all the >possible negative side effects because of that. your complaints were never answered nor heard. they made their jokes about ossi in css, ssdf did not answer. your request to the other programmers to boycott the ssdf-list was not follwed much. but i can tell you, i know some programmers who also think the autoplayer is "tuned" but they do not talk about this in public. no wonder why... look what theys did to Ossi in the "eine frage der Ehre" Insult-article where they showed which morals they follow. >Until this day I am not able to say if harm is done or not. Buy junior. try it out on your 10 machines. >I NEVER said the F5A prevents Rebel from learning. I have no proof of >that and I don't think it's fair of you to translate a "possibility" >into a "fact" and make it a main item here. the passing of them claiming: the opponent games are not saved is HOW OLD ? was it february ? march ? earlier ? Now we have November. Fritz5 is established in the list, leading it. now - they come out with an autoplayer for junior, and this autoplayer has the same "problems" the hidden autoplayer has. don't you think this is a strange synchronicity ? >You have argued against the F5A. It wasn't available. right. therefore nobody of us was able to proof their cheating. IF we would have had it, we would have been able to do so. THIS was the reason they did not made it open to us. because IF they would have done it, we would have found out about their HOW. > Now you argue >against the J5A. exactly. because it is on the market and we CAN test it,and - surprise surprise ... it has a bug we know from the F5A. >It *IS* available. yes. >You now have the possibility to PROOF >your theory with examples. Sofar I have seen NONE. Only the same >accusations PRESENTED as proof but no real evidence. i have enough examples here at home. >Why don't you just stop with your accusations, find the evidence >first and THEN report here. i am not the german police. >You are allowed to quote my public sayings but not to change them >to your own convenience. You will not be able to find a statement of >me where I said: "The F5A prevents Rebel from learning" because >I never said that. i don't remember exactly who has said this. it is about 10 months ago, or 8. many people have written pages, emails, discussion groups etc. but i remember that it was said that the opponent games were not saved and that other programs cannot save their learnings. >- Ed -
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