Author: Bob Durrett
Date: 15:19:02 11/27/03
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On November 27, 2003 at 18:09:33, Andrew Williams wrote: >On November 27, 2003 at 18:06:37, Bob Durrett wrote: > >>On November 27, 2003 at 17:59:08, Andrew Williams wrote: >> >>>On November 27, 2003 at 17:55:19, Bob Durrett wrote: >>> >>>>On November 27, 2003 at 17:42:58, margolies,marc wrote: >>>> >>>>>These are not charges based upon LIST's <<performance>> in a direct >>>>>way--Although all of LIST's defenders offer counter-proof regarding different >>>>>performance characteristics between Crafty and LIST. >>>>>The charge is PLAGIARISM-- lifting of (some)code. The Programmer in question has >>>>>not responded to the commitee's request for proof with a defense (according to >>>>>Levy's Report--I have no direct knowledge) therefore the Commitee had to act to >>>>>protect the legitimacy of the Tournament. Also the commitee's action were a >>>>>response to a complaint by an (unnamed) tournament participant who has standing >>>>>to do so. >>>> >>>>The "committee" has no legal authority. Plagiarism is a violation of law, at >>>>least in some Countries. The individual suffering damages from plagiarism can >>>>seek and obtain compensation in a duly constituted Civil Court of Law. The >>>>"committee" is NOT a Court of Law. They have no business trying to pretend >>>>otherwise. They run risks by their own actions. They have no authority to >>>>judge and punish someone for a law violation and they have no authority to >>>>create their own laws either. In other words, this "committee" has put itself >>>>out on a very fragile limb. Let's just hope that the programmer has a very good >>>>sense of humor. >>>> >>>>Bob D. >>> >>>This is ridiculous. The tournament is a competition which is held under the >>>auspices of the ICGA. They set some rules. They are entitled to hold the >>>participants to those rules. >> >>Tournament Directors and the ICGA are not immune. Tournament Directors can and >>have been sued in the past. Sometimes their authority goes to their heads and >>they assume that they have more authority than they have. Incidentally, in case >>you wonder, I NEVER had any problem with tournament directors. Maybe that's >>because I always followed the rules. >> >>Bob D. > >The point is that the TDs can't be sued or censured in any way if they have >followed their own rules. It doesn't matter what their rules are, because by >entering the competition, List's author agreed to them. The question therefore >doesn't relate to rules outside of the ICGA's remit - it only relates to the >extent to which the organization's own rules were followed. > >Andrew Well, this is not the right place for a legal debate. You must admit, however, that someone really did make a bad decision. Incidentally, I have just made up one of my new rules: It's OK for me to rob a bank. I wonder whether or not my following my own rules will be sufficient defense in a REAL court of law if I am caught? Oh well, it's getting absurd. Let's just hang Vincent and be done with it. : ) Bob D. > >> >> >>>What is not clear is whether this is an appropriate case to *apply* the rules. >>>In other words, on what basis do they believe that List is a clone? I think that >>>most people in the wider community think the accusation is strange, to say the >>>least. But the rules are clear; if they had reason to suspect that a program is >>>a clone, they have the right to see the source code. The question is, why did >>>they suspect it? >>> >>>Andrew
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