Author: Bob Durrett
Date: 19:36:49 11/30/03
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On November 30, 2003 at 22:21:32, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On November 30, 2003 at 19:46:08, Jeremiah Penery wrote: > >>On November 30, 2003 at 13:03:49, Robert Hyatt wrote: >> >>>Here, the case was different. The computer said "I claim a draw". but the >>>human chose to ignore that and keep playing. _that_ is not allowed. >> >>There is a difference here. The Fritz interface said 'there have been 3 >>repetitions of position', not the Johnny engine. Supposedly, the engine didn't >>know about the draw at all. Neither the engine or the interface actually >>_claimed_ the draw, either. > > >The interface and engine are _one_ in this event. > >What precise wording does the engine have to use to satisfy you? > >IE "the game is a draw due to 3-fold repetition" (which it said) >or >"I claim a draw by 3-fold repetition". > >I am unaware of any specific wording requirements. Just "this is a >3-fold repetition" is enough when I TD a tournament. I have even had >players point at the board, hold up 3 fingers, and call me over. That's >good enough. > >But enough of this trying to separate the engine from the GUI> We are >talking about a "chess program" specifically here. Without the GUI it >is not a chess player since it can't communicate. So trying to separate >them doesn't fly. The ICGA let this nonsense happen when they chose to >allow shared GUIs, and shared opening books, and so forth. They get >exactly what they deserve as a result. I don't wish to be accused of "splitting hairs," but in this tournament it was not a competition of software versus software. The hardware was an integral part of the chess-playing machine. It was a machine vs machine competition where "machine" implies hardware married to software. One could go a step further and suggest that the operator was part of the beast, but that would suggest something we don't wish to discuss. : ) Incidentally, as I pointed out earlier, "in the final analysis" it was a competition between programmers. The machines were just their proxies. : ) The tournament directors should have merely been "supportive," not "authoritarian dictators." Bob D.
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