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Subject: Re: Shredder wins in Graz after controversy

Author: Bob Durrett

Date: 13:41:58 12/10/03

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On December 10, 2003 at 15:26:12, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On December 10, 2003 at 10:40:09, Bob Durrett wrote:
>
>>On December 10, 2003 at 10:03:56, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>
>><snip>
>>
>>>The ICGA has ignored the problem.  Including the problem of a shared book or
>>>book author.  We have to live within the rules as stated, however, so I don't
>>>see a problem with _everybody_ using the best Kure book, with the Fritz GUI,
>>>until the rules are fixed to address the issue correctly.
>>
>>It seems that engines are handicapped by using a standard book.  A recent thread
>>discussed the possibility of starting with a standard book and then optimizing
>>the book for the specific engine by playing oodles of chess games with "opening
>>learning" enabled.  The idea was that the "educated" book would be better for
>>that specific engine.
>
>This is not uncommon.  It is a risk you take with using a globally-available
>book.  But it might be that the globally-available book is so much better, the
>risk is worth it.
>
>>
>>Assuming that the above is correct, then it would seem that programmers would
>>prefer to NOT use a standard book but instead to use one optimized for their own
>>engine as above.
>
>What is happening is that a couple of book authors are doing books for
>different commercial engines.  And the real problem is that these book
>authors are _really_ good.  Is it fair for a program to have to play against
>a _really_ strong book 3 times in a tournament (book from the same author)
>because he chooses to share it among three programs that are sold together?

Perhaps the books used for commercial engines are available somehow?  Are these
books different from the ones sold with the commercial programs?  If so, I would
be irritated very much because I paid actual money for the books.  I also use
the latest Fritz PowerBook.  Are these books you're referring to MUCH better
than the latest Fritz PowerBook?

At the very least, one could start with the latest Fritz PowerBook and then
optimize it using learning and playing many games.  Since Crafty plays many
games every day, I would expect the Crafty book to be the best possible book for
Crafty.

Bob D.

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