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Subject: Re: Fred Reinfeld's Opinion

Author: David Dahlem

Date: 07:19:29 12/12/03

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On December 12, 2003 at 09:34:59, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On December 12, 2003 at 01:32:12, Dana Turnmire wrote:
>
>>On December 11, 2003 at 14:26:09, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>
>>>1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nf6 4. Ng5 d5 5. exd5 Nxd5 6. Nxf7 Kxf7 7. Qf3+ Ke6
>>>8. Nc3 Nb4
>>>
>>>Now I'll let you dictate the next move.  If you want to back up and play a
>>>different white move, feel free.  I am at home and don't have my old chess
>>>opening notes handy so this is coming from memory right now.
>>>
>>>White's normal moves are O-O (threat of Re1), Qe4 (threat of f4) and
>>>a3 (driving the knight away from defending d5).  Other moves might be
>>>playable, those are the three I remember playing when I used this in
>>>blitz games regularly...
>>>
>>>I think Hans Berliner had some detailed analysis of this opening somewhere
>>>years ago, also showing it was cute for white, but lost if black doesn't
>>>lose his cool with all the pins and potential checks.
>>
>>Fred Reinfeld gives the following line from the 1950's and amazingly Chess
>>Genius 7 gives an evaluation of a pawn down for White -1.03.
>>
>>1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nf6 4. Ng5 d5 5. exd5 Nxd5 6. Nxf7 Kxf7 7. Qf3+ Ke6
>>8. Nc3 Ncb4 9. Qe4 c6 10. d4 Kd7! "and Black is safe."  *
>
>
>That was considered the main line (Qe4 vs a3 or something else).  "black is
>safe" is relative.  Black is sitting on the top of the Empire State Building
>radio mast.  He might be "safe" but he definitely has to "watch his step" for
>a while.
>
>I personally believe black wins, with correct play..

I searched my Chessbase Big Database 2001 for Fried Liver games, from this line:

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nf6 4. Ng5 d5 5. exd5 Nxd5 6. Nxf7 Kxf7

Out of 1.7 million games there were 256 Fried Liver games, with these results:

White wins = 192
Black wins = 45
Draws      = 19

I observed most of these games ended fairly quickly, with very few long games.
:-)

Regards
Dave



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