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Subject: Re: I disagree

Author: Keith Evans

Date: 21:51:34 12/30/03

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On December 30, 2003 at 17:16:24, Mike Byrne wrote:

>On December 30, 2003 at 16:44:38, Keith Evans wrote:
>
>>On December 29, 2003 at 13:59:55, Mike Byrne wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>The rest of the field is never 0%.  Any bookie can tell you that.  It might be
>>>15 to 1, 30 to 1 -- even a 100 to 1 . but the chances are never "zero" - that
>>>would make the payoff infinity.
>>
>>Bookies are really predicting how people will bet, not the outcome of an event.
>>So you're not betting against the bookie, you're betting against his other
>>clients. He tries to make it to that he is transferring money between his
>>clients and skimming off a percentage.
>
>Thank you.  I was waiting for somebody to raise that issue.
>
>A bet is nothing more than futures contract.  The accuracy of futures (when
>poeple really "bet" with their own money is well documented - when it comes to
>thier own money - people like to win their "bets".  Sometimes they win because
>they have inside information - it's all relfected in the odds..  It's not a
>100%, but it's better than most single individual prognosticator.
>
>Here' s a good link
>
>http://www.biz.uiowa.edu/iem/
>
>We are getting off-topic - so for further discussion on the accuracy of
>financial futures - let's move it to CTF.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Michael

This is an interesting way to look at it. I think that Glickman (developer of
the Glicko rating system)  wrote some papers about trying to predict the outcome
of college football games. If I remember correctly one important factor was to
observe how the bookmaker odds changed over time. If such schemes worked then I
would suspect that they would eventually be reflected in the odds and then the
bookmaker odds would become a more accurate predictor of the outcome. I could
see how emotions could be involved in college sports though, so there might be
some bias added to keep the bets balanced.

-Keith



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