Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 08:58:28 01/06/04
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On January 05, 2004 at 18:18:43, Rolf Tueschen wrote: >On January 05, 2004 at 15:28:06, Uri Blass wrote: > >>On January 05, 2004 at 13:52:39, Robert Hyatt wrote: >> >>>On January 05, 2004 at 11:07:03, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >>> >>>>On January 04, 2004 at 00:43:30, Ed Trice wrote: >>>> >>>>Hi Ed, >>>> >>>>It was my intention to stop posting in the amateur forum, >>> >>> >>>Why don't you take your "non-amateur" stuff back to the forum for >>>the "world's foremost authority on everything" (which has only one >>>member of course, so you _never_ have to defend anything you post >>>there) and leave the rest of us alone? >> >>I try to help him to do it. >>I complained against his reply to you and I hope that he will be banned so he >>will have no choice except stopping to post in this forum. >> >>His reply is a personal attack that has nothing to do with the subject or with >>your reply. >> >>Uri > >I sincerely hope that Vincent will reconsider his false [possibly emotional] >position and will apologize, I think that this would be a good sign to >computerchess as a whole. > >I hope that the majority of all members knows that Bob Hyatt is and was always >_the_ catalyst who helped many people to better understand computerchess. I >think his outstanding performance as a teacher should be valued only with the >most extreme admiration. > >And I can well add that even in cases where Bob prefered certain rare opinions >we could learn a lot through his argumentation. However the allegation of fraud >is absolutely over the edge and almost a crime in itself. And last but not least >scientifical nonsense. That is also the reason why Vincent can't win any merits >with such insults. It's very sad to watch such a social suicide. I wished you >could help Vincent to realise how wrong he is. Everybody else is also cordially >invited to help him out. He needs somebody. > >Rolf All Vincent needs to do is realize that he can't beat _everybody_, and that there is no disgrace in being unable to beat everybody, all the time. Even in the days of Cray Blitz I _knew_ we could lose _any_ game we played, given the right circumstances. He also needs to be willing to listen to other opinions and try to look for ways to make things work, rather than forming excuses about why they can't possibly work. IE I'm happy when I beat Christophe's program in an event, because I know that I will lose to it more often than I will win from it. And I don't go around telling everyone "hey, I can _kill_ his program in tests here but I am not going to release that book because nobody else releases their good book." I am much more likely to say "OK, show me on ICC, where we can _all_ watch and where I _know_ that my program is set up reasonably. It is up to _you_ to make sure _your_ program is set up reasonably." Then if I lose, I just lose. Or if I win, I win. I've found "hot air" doesn't win many games, and there is little need for "hot air" with the internet around anyway. Remember the old story... A 30-year old was talking to his friends, thinking back about college days and such. He was telling his friend "You know, when I graduated from college I knew _everything_ and my dad was unbelievably ignorant of much about the world. And what is really amazing is how much he learned over the next 5 years." The dad didn't learn _anything_. :) The son did. :) Vincent will get there one day. hopefully...
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