Author: Detlef Pordzik
Date: 15:42:26 11/27/98
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On November 27, 1998 at 11:31:43, Lawrence S. Tamarkin wrote: >Well no, I was responding to the first post, which asked; 'Why do we do it'. >Since I have noticed that I'm completely and totally addicted to these chess >programs, and chess, and chess books, and regardless of how much (or little), >money I have, I always want & buy more of them, I thought I'd share that I was >self-aware of the, 'problem'. Knowing you have a problem, doesn't necessarilly >mean that you want it to go away. I know I don't! But it is true, that with >each indroduction of new programs in the same family, IE, Fritz5, Junior5, and >now Fritz 5.32, the same company is getting me to send it in on ensentially the >same product again & again & again! (and each indruction of these improved >products seems to happen pretty quickly too...) > >Yes, I know its knowbodies fault but my own, but want to be a stronger, more >knowledgible chess player; I would do anything (perhaps even sell my soul to the >devil), to achieve this, and when their is a new tutorial, database, or playing >program, or excellent chess book, I 'feel' I must get it if I can. > >The most ironic thing about it is I don't even really care much about what the >product does; an ad for it comes out, proclaiming its wonderful & unique >features, everybody here and on, rec.games.chess.computer starts talking about >it, and like Homer Simpson, spotting a giant sprinkled chocolate donut, I have >have to have it - Doh! > >And then of course, instead of using it/them very much, I spend most of my free >time here at this Computer Chess Club, 'complaining', about how I'm waisting >precious money on these 'stupid' chess programs, rather than saving it for >pratical stuff, like the Rent & a new wardrobe. > >mrslug - the inkompetent chess software addict! > > >On November 27, 1998 at 04:44:23, Timothy J. Frohlick wrote: > >>Mr. Oudheusden, >> >>I assume that you are responding to all the posts on this site that brag about >>beating a particular program or playing it to a draw and then claiming that it >>is a weak program. This is just human nature. I do agree with you that just >>playing on a board without looking at play continuation lines will make winning >>less likely. It is fun however to let the program select a move that causes it >>to beat itself. It is also informative to play a line and then return to the >>beginning and try another line. >> >>I myself can usually beat expert level chess players but get whipped by >>candidate masters and above. I am unrated and refuse to get rated because of >>the large number of neurotic individuals in chess clubs. I prefer to play chess >>programs that don't get pissed when they lose. Computer chess is fascinating >>because it offers one the opportunity to play an opponent that while not >>self-aware is an extension of human play and is quite adept at the game. >> >>As this programming of chess matures we will get to the point where a program >>will use optimized sub-programs in specific positions and play truly beautiful >>chess. I really like to be beaten soundly by a creative adversary. Eventually, >>even the most gifted humans will not be able to beat the monsters that are >>coming on the face of the chess world. We or our children will be in awe of the >>amazing play of these coming robots. We all want a program that plays beautiful >>chess. One wrong assume within your mail, Lawrence : TASC B.V. can't (!) lower the price for the board - 'cause their sold out ! 1 ) there is no more production of the TB 20 + 30 2) same with the R 30 unit. As far as I know, they've lost a license process of enormeous height - but that's not sure.....at least - the TascBASE is the only thing, I think the still have on the oven. So, IF you meet a retailer, who has 1) or 2)....better grab it fast. c/u ELVIS dpordzik@owl-online.de
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