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Subject: Re: Is DeepSjeng strong enough to find a move by Kasparov in Linares?

Author: Thomas Lagershausen

Date: 03:14:10 01/15/04

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On January 14, 2004 at 23:52:38, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On January 14, 2004 at 15:57:49, Thomas Lagershausen wrote:
>
>>On January 14, 2004 at 15:31:27, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>
>>>On January 14, 2004 at 15:00:40, Thomas Lagershausen wrote:
>>>
>>>>On January 14, 2004 at 14:46:39, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On January 14, 2004 at 14:21:27, Thomas Lagershausen wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Kasparov - Anand (Linares 1994)
>>>>>>[D]1rb1r1k1/2q1bp2/pp1pp1p1/2n3Pp/Pn2PP1Q/1NN1B2R/1PP3BP/R5K1 w - - 22.Bf3!! Bf8
>>>>>>23.Bxh5!! gxh5 24.Qxh5 Bg7 25.Bd4 e5 26.f5 exd4 27.Qh7+ Kf8 28.f6 Ne6 29.Qh8+
>>>>>>Bxh8 30.Rxh8 mate
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>26. ... exd4 is bad.  Kf8 holds on much longer with only a score of
>>>>>+1.something. exd4 leads to an instant mate in 4 for white...
>>>>
>>>>Sorry, i post the variation for humans and not for computers.But you have to
>>>>agree that 22.Bg2-f3!! leads to a won position for white.
>>>>
>>>>So the question is how long will it take Crafty to find 22.Bf3 ?
>>>
>>>I dont know that it will.  However, +1.0 is not a "won position" exactly,
>>>although I would agree that it looks good for white...
>>>
>>>And whether there is something even better is yet another question..
>>
>>There are really very funny people here in this forum. Come one guys, the white
>>pieces had been moved by the best player of this planet and he had analyzed that
>>game completly in NewInChess magazine 3/94.
>
>You need to first (a) turn down the rudeness;  then (b) turn up the thought
>process louder.
>
>What _I_ responded to was _not_ Kasparov's analysis.  It was about the move
>played in the game, that was an instant loss.  26. ... Kf8 does _not_ get
>mated in the next 10-15 moves, while the game move got mated in 4 moves.
>
>Second, do you think Kasparov never makes mistakes?  Did he not blunder in a
>won and then in a drawing position against deep junior?  Did he not resign in
>a drawn position against DB?  meat makes mistakes, whether it is Kasparov's
>meat or mine.
>
>Back to the game.  I responded to your suggested Bx move.  It is _not_
>crushing yet...
>
>I would rather be white, but I would much rather be black after 26. ... Kf8
>than black after the move played in the game.
>
>BTW I _did_ give this some thought.  I suspect you just blindly accept
>any analysis by Kasparov as "absolute truth" with no thought whatsoever..
>
>I didn't see anything "funny" at all, myself...
>
>But perhaps I won't respond next time you pose a question either?
>
>This thread _was_ started by a question about the plan starting with Bf3.
>

That´s the point.I am interested if a program find´s the best move in the givven
position by a diagram (move 22), and you are discussing a position at move 26
which can´t help black to save the game because black is worse after 2..Bf3!!

PS: The continuation in the game was 26...Nxe4. The move givven by me would like
to show only the ideas behind this attack. This is normal practise in human
chess.

>>
>>[Event "NIC 3/94"]
>>[Site "Linares"]
>>[Date "1994"]
>>[Round "11"]
>>[White "G. Kasparov"]
>>[Black "V. Anand"]
>>[ECO "B57"]
>>[Result "1-0"]
>>
>>1. e4 c5 2. Nc3 d6 3. Nge2 Nc6 4. d4 cxd4 5. Nxd4 Nf6
>>6. Bc4 Qb6 7. Nb3 e6 8. Bf4 Ne5 9. Be2 Be7 10. Be3 Qc7
>>11. f4 Nc6 12. Bf3 a6 13. O-O O-O 14. a4 b6 15. g4 Rb8
>>16. g5 Nd7 17. Bg2 Re8 18. Rf3 Nc5 19. Rh3 g6 20. Qg4 Nb4
>>21. Qh4 h5 22. Bf3 Bf8 23. Bxh5 gxh5 24. Qxh5 Bg7 25. Bd4
>>e5 26. f5 Nxe4 27. Qh7+ Kf8 28. Nxe4 Bxf5 29. Qxf5 exd4
>>30. Nf6 Qxc2 31. Nxd4 Qxb2 32. Rd1 Re5 33. Nd7+ Ke7
>>34. Nxe5 Bxe5 35. Qe4 1-0



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