Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 19:32:49 01/15/04
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On January 15, 2004 at 06:14:10, Thomas Lagershausen wrote: >On January 14, 2004 at 23:52:38, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On January 14, 2004 at 15:57:49, Thomas Lagershausen wrote: >> >>>On January 14, 2004 at 15:31:27, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>> >>>>On January 14, 2004 at 15:00:40, Thomas Lagershausen wrote: >>>> >>>>>On January 14, 2004 at 14:46:39, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On January 14, 2004 at 14:21:27, Thomas Lagershausen wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>Kasparov - Anand (Linares 1994) >>>>>>>[D]1rb1r1k1/2q1bp2/pp1pp1p1/2n3Pp/Pn2PP1Q/1NN1B2R/1PP3BP/R5K1 w - - 22.Bf3!! Bf8 >>>>>>>23.Bxh5!! gxh5 24.Qxh5 Bg7 25.Bd4 e5 26.f5 exd4 27.Qh7+ Kf8 28.f6 Ne6 29.Qh8+ >>>>>>>Bxh8 30.Rxh8 mate >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>26. ... exd4 is bad. Kf8 holds on much longer with only a score of >>>>>>+1.something. exd4 leads to an instant mate in 4 for white... >>>>> >>>>>Sorry, i post the variation for humans and not for computers.But you have to >>>>>agree that 22.Bg2-f3!! leads to a won position for white. >>>>> >>>>>So the question is how long will it take Crafty to find 22.Bf3 ? >>>> >>>>I dont know that it will. However, +1.0 is not a "won position" exactly, >>>>although I would agree that it looks good for white... >>>> >>>>And whether there is something even better is yet another question.. >>> >>>There are really very funny people here in this forum. Come one guys, the white >>>pieces had been moved by the best player of this planet and he had analyzed that >>>game completly in NewInChess magazine 3/94. >> >>You need to first (a) turn down the rudeness; then (b) turn up the thought >>process louder. >> >>What _I_ responded to was _not_ Kasparov's analysis. It was about the move >>played in the game, that was an instant loss. 26. ... Kf8 does _not_ get >>mated in the next 10-15 moves, while the game move got mated in 4 moves. >> >>Second, do you think Kasparov never makes mistakes? Did he not blunder in a >>won and then in a drawing position against deep junior? Did he not resign in >>a drawn position against DB? meat makes mistakes, whether it is Kasparov's >>meat or mine. >> >>Back to the game. I responded to your suggested Bx move. It is _not_ >>crushing yet... >> >>I would rather be white, but I would much rather be black after 26. ... Kf8 >>than black after the move played in the game. >> >>BTW I _did_ give this some thought. I suspect you just blindly accept >>any analysis by Kasparov as "absolute truth" with no thought whatsoever.. >> >>I didn't see anything "funny" at all, myself... >> >>But perhaps I won't respond next time you pose a question either? >> >>This thread _was_ started by a question about the plan starting with Bf3. >> > >That´s the point.I am interested if a program find´s the best move in the givven >position by a diagram (move 22), and you are discussing a position at move 26 >which can´t help black to save the game because black is worse after 2..Bf3!! > I don't believe it is lost yet. White is better. But better != winning, at this particular point... >PS: The continuation in the game was 26...Nxe4. The move givven by me would like >to show only the ideas behind this attack. This is normal practise in human >chess. > I don't know what that "this is normal practice in human chess" means. I've played "human chess" for almost 50 years now... If I post a game, it is a game as played OTB, not with moves made up and added in. If the moves were not "added in" then black rolled over and played dead when he could have played much better and continued the game for some time... >>> >>>[Event "NIC 3/94"] >>>[Site "Linares"] >>>[Date "1994"] >>>[Round "11"] >>>[White "G. Kasparov"] >>>[Black "V. Anand"] >>>[ECO "B57"] >>>[Result "1-0"] >>> >>>1. e4 c5 2. Nc3 d6 3. Nge2 Nc6 4. d4 cxd4 5. Nxd4 Nf6 >>>6. Bc4 Qb6 7. Nb3 e6 8. Bf4 Ne5 9. Be2 Be7 10. Be3 Qc7 >>>11. f4 Nc6 12. Bf3 a6 13. O-O O-O 14. a4 b6 15. g4 Rb8 >>>16. g5 Nd7 17. Bg2 Re8 18. Rf3 Nc5 19. Rh3 g6 20. Qg4 Nb4 >>>21. Qh4 h5 22. Bf3 Bf8 23. Bxh5 gxh5 24. Qxh5 Bg7 25. Bd4 >>>e5 26. f5 Nxe4 27. Qh7+ Kf8 28. Nxe4 Bxf5 29. Qxf5 exd4 >>>30. Nf6 Qxc2 31. Nxd4 Qxb2 32. Rd1 Re5 33. Nd7+ Ke7 >>>34. Nxe5 Bxe5 35. Qe4 1-0
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