Author: blass uri
Date: 11:55:35 12/04/98
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On December 04, 1998 at 13:48:42, Matthew Herman wrote: >On December 04, 1998 at 11:04:33, Mike Saavedra wrote: > >>I would agree that for fun, I enjoy playing with CM6000, but when I want to >>study my games and play what is closest to a rated game, I get good ol' Fritz >>out (CM ratings are not very good imho). I like the coaching, sparring, and even >>the friend modes in Fritz, and, of course, the more efficient and clean >>interface. Better tree and database functions. Tutorials in CM6000 are cool, but >>once you read them, its over. Unlikely one will look at them again. >>The engine on CM6000 is undoubtably strong, yet the interface is not clean or >>elegant imho. And considering the recent price drop in Fritz and all other chess >>software, CM becomes less and less of a bargain. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>On December 04, 1998 at 10:12:03, Fernando Villegas wrote: >> >>>Incredible how long discussion are produced because a lack of previous >>>definitions of terms, as usual. A very long thread begun about if CM6000 should >>>or should not be considered as a serious program just because nobody bothered to >>>say that serious programs does not coincide with just strong programs. Strenght >>>is now a comodity. You can get strong program even in freeware sections. Do I >>>exagerate if i say most of them defeat most of us anyway? So the point is how >>>good and workable the database is. It's good to learn openings? Makes things >>>easier to grasp your weaknesses? Ches programas are now strong in the same sense >>>as all motorcars have wheels. The issue is: what about the rest and the rest >>>here is the surroundings, even the GUI. I dare to say that once database >>>facilities reach a point of strenght as engines has, GUi will be the next >>>decisive point to evaluate. >>>fernando > > >All true and taken into account basically with Fritz and or Junior 5 at 50$ and >CM6000 at say 25-30$ it is really hard to find a great reason to buy CM6000. >The engine (The King) just won a computer chess tournament. However, when you >look at the database facilities provided by fritz/junior and the opening book >facilities ALONE that is a whole ton better than CM 6000 (i.e. in cm6000 you >cannot easily build a new book and cannot import PGN games..) also as you said >the sparring modes and coach modes are excellent and of course in CM6000 you >can't have variations in the game.. when you save it.. its PGN format is not >compatible with some programs (i.e. it is not the normal pgn format). The GUI is >a little confusing and not as "clean" as the fritz/junior GUI. All in all Fritz5 >is the better program It is not clear that All in All Fritz5 is the better program. There are options in chessmaster that are not in Fritz5 I cannot change parameters like the value of pieces with Fritz5. I think that the option to change parameters of the program is important for analysis because sometimes I know that the computer does not understand the position and changing parameters may help it. I hope that in the next version of Fritz5 (Junior5) there will be more options to change parameters Uri , however if you want a solid program that is cheaper >CM6000 is nice.. an ok selection of boards etc.. I would NOT consider it for >your main program if you are a master or looking to become one quickly.. however >for the range of 1200-1999 its a good program.
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