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Subject: Re: CM6000: just because is strong it dfoes not means is for pros

Author: blass uri

Date: 11:55:35 12/04/98

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On December 04, 1998 at 13:48:42, Matthew Herman wrote:

>On December 04, 1998 at 11:04:33, Mike Saavedra wrote:
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>>I would agree that for fun, I enjoy playing with CM6000, but when I want to
>>study my games and play what is closest to a rated game, I get good ol' Fritz
>>out (CM ratings are not very good imho). I like the coaching, sparring, and even
>>the friend modes in Fritz, and, of course, the more efficient and clean
>>interface. Better tree and database functions. Tutorials in CM6000 are cool, but
>>once you read them, its over. Unlikely one will look at them again.
>>The engine on CM6000 is undoubtably strong, yet the interface is not clean or
>>elegant imho. And considering the recent price drop in Fritz and all other chess
>>software, CM becomes less and less of a bargain.
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>>On December 04, 1998 at 10:12:03, Fernando Villegas wrote:
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>>>Incredible how long discussion are produced because a lack of previous
>>>definitions of terms, as usual. A very long thread begun about if CM6000 should
>>>or should not be considered as a serious program just because nobody bothered to
>>>say that serious programs does not coincide with just strong programs. Strenght
>>>is now a comodity. You can get strong program even in freeware sections. Do I
>>>exagerate if i say most of them defeat most of us anyway? So the point is how
>>>good and workable the database is. It's good to learn openings?  Makes things
>>>easier to grasp your weaknesses? Ches programas are now strong in the same sense
>>>as all motorcars have wheels. The issue is: what about the rest and the rest
>>>here is the surroundings, even the GUI. I dare to say that once database
>>>facilities reach a point of strenght as engines has, GUi will be the next
>>>decisive point to evaluate.
>>>fernando
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>All true and taken into account basically with Fritz and or Junior 5 at 50$ and
>CM6000 at say 25-30$ it is really hard to find a great reason to buy CM6000.
>The engine (The King) just won a computer chess tournament. However, when you
>look at the database facilities provided by fritz/junior and the opening book
>facilities ALONE that is a whole ton better than CM 6000 (i.e. in cm6000 you
>cannot easily build a new book and cannot import PGN games..) also as you said
>the sparring modes and coach modes are excellent and of course in CM6000 you
>can't have variations in the game.. when you save it.. its PGN format is not
>compatible with some programs (i.e. it is not the normal pgn format). The GUI is
>a little confusing and not as "clean" as the fritz/junior GUI. All in all Fritz5
>is the better program

It is not clear that All in All Fritz5  is the better program.

There are options in chessmaster that are not in Fritz5
I cannot change parameters like the value of pieces with Fritz5.

I think that the option to change parameters of the program is important for
analysis because sometimes I know that the computer does not understand the
position and changing parameters may help it.

I hope that in the next version of Fritz5 (Junior5) there will be more options
to change parameters

Uri

, however if you want a solid program that is cheaper
>CM6000 is nice.. an ok selection of boards etc.. I would NOT consider it for
>your main program if you are a master or looking to become one quickly.. however
>for the range of 1200-1999 its a good program.



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