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Subject: Re: Why AMD just don`t blow Intel...

Author: Dann Corbit

Date: 12:36:18 02/09/04

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On February 09, 2004 at 15:07:27, Joachim Rang wrote:

>On February 09, 2004 at 14:59:42, Dann Corbit wrote:
>
>>On February 09, 2004 at 14:52:06, Joachim Rang wrote:
>>
>>>On February 09, 2004 at 14:47:59, Dann Corbit wrote:
>>>
>>>>On February 09, 2004 at 14:23:55, Aloisio Ponti Lopes wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>... by releasing their processors at the same speed in GHz ?
>>>>
>>>>Intel has the best fab in the world.  How is AMD going to match that?  The speed
>>>>is largely a function of the process and trace size.  Intel's fascilities are
>>>>better.
>>>>
>>>
>>>that is only half of the truth (at best). AMD decided to concentrate on
>>>performance rather than on GHz. So AMD proc perform more instructions per cycle.
>>>  I think it would be technically possible to release today a 5 GHz proc which
>>>performs only one instruction per cycle. The performance would be terrible, but
>>>one could claim it runs on 5 GHz.
>>
>>And you believe that a chip which performed 10 instructions per cycle would not
>>run at the same speed given the same trace size and process (e.g. copper
>>bonded)?
>>
>>I think if AMD had Intel's fascilities, they could produce Opterons at 3.4 GHz.
>>
>>I think many facets of AMD's design are better.  But Intel's fascilities are
>>superior.
>
>
>No I think you are wrong. 10 instruction per cycle produce a lot more heat than
>1 instruction per cycle.

No way.  The transister count, transistor density, and materials process are
what matters.

> I think the design of the AMD procs dont allow >3 GHz
>yet (this will come of course with 90 and 65 nm).
>I don't think with the fascilities of Intel AMD would be able to release
>Opterons at 3.4 GHz but I may be wrong.
>
>Who is an expert in this field?

Tom Kerrigan.  There are some others who post here.  My understanding is
strictly amateur, though I do have a year of electronics training.




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