Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 12:31:39 02/14/04
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On February 14, 2004 at 12:15:56, Ricardo Gibert wrote: >On February 14, 2004 at 10:28:00, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On February 14, 2004 at 04:45:12, Ricardo Gibert wrote: >> >>>On February 13, 2004 at 15:56:00, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>> >>>>On February 13, 2004 at 15:54:18, Mike S. wrote: >>>> >>>>>On February 13, 2004 at 15:26:23, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>You can safely assume that those ratings are totally meaningless, if you are >>>>>>thinking within the context of human FIDE ratings... >>>>> >>>>>Within the context of human FIDE ratings, a previous version of Hydra, aka >>>>>Brutus, has achieved a tournament performance of 2765 :-) >>>> >>>>Tournament performance != Fide rating, unfortunately.. Otherwise Kasparov might >>>>have hit 3200 more than once. >>> >>>You're exaggerating. That would mean that the average rating of his opponents >>>was about 2800 and he would have to win every single game. This has never been >>>possible. >> >>Did you see the key words "might have hit"??? >> >>There have been multiple 3000+ tprs. Given the rating inflation of today, it >>won't be long before there is a 3200+ tpr. >> >>> >>>For example, a 4 man tounament today with the 4 top players would consist of: >>> >>> Kasparov 2831 >>> Kramnik 2777 >>> Anand 2766 >>> Svidler 2747 >>> >>>The average rating of Kasparov's opponents would be 2763, so he could get s >>>performance rating of 3163 tops. I don't believe such a tounament ever happened >>>and certainly not twice e.g. >> >>I'd claim 3163 is "pretty close" to 3200... > > >You can claim it, but a tournament in the past where Kasparov performed over >3100 you will not find. That is the *point*. > The only *point* here is that "might" != "definite fact"... I don't see why that wasn't clear... Picking a single TPR does not prove a program is 2800+ as the Paderborn crosstable seems to suggest... The fact is that more than one GM has produced a TPR _way_ over his actual best rating... using it to conclude anything is not particularly sound. > >> >> >>> >>>Top Tournament performances >>> The highest winning percentages for tournaments >>> where at least four of the top ten were present. >>> >>> 1872 June-July, London, won by Steinitz 7.5/8, 93.8% >>> 1930 Jan.-Feb. San Remo, won by Alekhine 14/15, 93.3% >>> 1862 London, won by Anderssen 11/12, 91.7% >>> 1876 Mar.-Apr. London, won by Blackburne 10/11, 90.9% >>> 1873 July, Vienna, won by Steinitz 22.5/25, 90% >>> 1867 June-July, Paris, won by Kolisch 21/24, 86.4% >>> 1883 Apr.-June, London, Zukertort 22/26, 84.6% >>> 1994 Linares, Karpov 11/13, 84.6% >>> 1899 London, Lasker 22.5/27, 83.3% >>> 1867 Dundee, Neumann 7.5/9, 83.3% >>> >>>As you can see, Kasparov does not even make the list. I think a 3100 performance >>>would be a record. >>> >>>Check out http://www3.sympatico.ca/g.giffen/records.htm >>> >>>The most astonishing performances were in match play by Fischer in his now >>>legendary drive to the world championship match with Spassky. 6-0 vs Taimanov >>>and 6-0 vs Larsen. This will be very difficult to improve upon. >>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>>http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=1131 >>>>> >>>>>(this was 40/2h) >>>>> >>>>>Regards, >>>>>Mike Scheidl
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