Author: Dan Kiski
Date: 08:09:58 12/09/98
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On December 09, 1998 at 08:47:14, Micheal Cummings wrote: > >On December 09, 1998 at 02:25:34, Reynolds Takata wrote: > >>On December 07, 1998 at 15:20:26, Komputer Korner wrote: >> >>>On December 03, 1998 at 23:26:36, Reynolds Takata wrote: >>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>>You are right Elvis, as always. Read my latest review of it in the EN Passant >>>>>magazine of the Chess Federation of Canada. They have a web site and will be >>>>>glad to send you a copy of their magazine and they might even give it to you for >>>>>free. (No promises though). In the review I detail the whole truth and nothing >>>>>but the truth. I gave it a Komputer Korner Gold Medal for its value in features >>>>>to non tournament players and for it’s engine strength For the non-tournament >>>>>player, it is a great bargain, no doubt about it. >>>>>-- >>>>>Komputer Korner >>>> >>>> >>>>Everyone has ther own opinions, but being a USCF life Master/Fide Master, and >>>>having played chess for 20+ years, I feel that CM 5500-6000 is a great tool for >>>>tournament players. >>>> >>>>R. Takata >>> >>>You are simply wrong here. Everyone agrees that CM6000 is very very strong. That >>>is not the point. The point is that it is missing some very critical features >>>like 1) the ability to analyze in player player mode with engine analysis at the >>>same time 2) a decent opening book editor. The one that CM6000 has is a joke. >>>The first feature is so critical that not having it forces an incredible waste >>>of time changing modes whenever you change sides in analysis or do take back >>>moves in your manual analysis. Use a program that allows engine PV in player >>>player mode and you will see what I mean. >>>-- >> >>You are simple wrong here!!!! Your problem Korner is that you think that a >>program has to have all of the features you want for it to be a good TOOL for >>tournament players. That is FAULTY!!! thinking on your part. It Is a tool, >>that serves it's purpose. That purpose being it is a unique and strong player >>with it's own style. It serves me in helping to find new moves, it helps me in >>my training method of playing not just one single program for practice but a >>multitude of programs for practice(it is one of several i own). It doesn't need >>to have a database, or opening book editor, because i have fritz and rebel and >>Chessbase 7 end of story. It needs to do just one thing and that is play! So >>because it SERVES it's purpose it is a great tool for the strong tournament >>player. Further considering that most strong players have great databases, and >>opening book editors etc. This means that one of their programs is the best in >>regard to some feature such as database, thus that to some degree nullifys the >>need for the databases of other programs. If you want a prog like CM to analyze >>a game from some other progs database it may take some work like converting to >>pgn etc. but it can be done. Bottom line CM does what i need it to do!! you >>can get mad if you want to, sorry tough titty said the kitty. >> >>R. Takata >>USCF Life Master >>Fide Master > >I FULLY agree with all you said, which is the point I have been trying to get >across. When newer versions of chessbase and fritz come out. The tournament >player will get them, because they have a strong engine and good database. > >Maybe they all do follow KK thinking and only play the programs that have a good >database attached to it, and thus limit themselves to the strength and style of >play of other programs. Maybe why Anand got beaten by Rebel 10. Maybe he only >used Chessbase or fritz for his computer playing and database. And thus got >beaten by another program which he did not know about. That is maybe stretching >the truth. > >But if KK had his way, I think the tournament chess player would never touch >CM6K. > >I think the Strong and Tournament player would want to play as many a strong >programs as he can get his hands on. And thus would make CM6K a program for the >tournament player. > >Which Brings up another point off hand. Why is CM6K on the Gambitsoft site under >the Master column and not Grandmaster which includes some programs worse than >CM6K in my opinion in both strength and features. Michael is right I had noticed the same thing about the CM6000 being under the master column at gambitsoft and had wondered why. I assume the responce will be without an autoplayer there is no way to verify. Dam Kiski
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