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Subject: Re: One week without Windows ! Help with Scid install !

Author: Christophe Theron

Date: 09:14:56 03/28/04

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On March 28, 2004 at 00:55:13, Aloisio Ponti Lopes wrote:

>My Dual Athlon MP 2600+ (2.133 GHz) is running Kurumin Linux (a brazilian
>modified version of Knoppix). It is a pleasure to use Linux when it comes to
>stability and particularly, Internet browsing is much quicker, and much of the
>trouble about e-mail viruses do not affect Linux users. I can use office
>software, Mozilla, Opera, KMail, listen to music and see video/DVD as I did with
>Windows, but there are at least by now _no_memory_issues and absolutely
>_no_crashes_ at all!
>It took me 2 days to discover how to configure my new ADSL modem under Linux
>correctly, but now it's running ok...(posted in a forum and phoned to the modem
>I installed Jose database and playing program (engine= Crafty), nice look, but
>did not play much with it to have a complete idea about this interface.
>Tried to install SCID but I'm having some trouble installing tk first (didn't
>have trouble installing tcl), so I need some help on this topic...
>Is Arena available for Linux ?
>When will Tiger for Linux be available ?
>Can I run Chessbase/ChessAssistant products under Wine or is there another way
>to do that ?

If I was you I wouldn't bother trying Wine. It is still not able to run Windows
apps correctly (I really hope that it will be in the future, that's a great

If somebody has already tested an app and tells you that it runs under Wine (and
tells you how to do it) then you can try it. Otherwise I would not really
recomment it at this time.

If you want to run Win95/98/98SE/Me applications, the best way is Win4lin. It is
a commercial application ($80) but it will run almost any Windows program at
their native speed (maybe just 5% slower). Two drawbacks however: under DOS the
graphical mode is not available (CGA is, but not VGA: you cannot run Rebel DOS),
and it is not compatible with Windows 2000 and XP. A third minor problem is that
in order to run Win4lin you must either use a modified kernel that you download
from their website (assuming that your distribution is supported) or you have to
patch your kernel (will work with any distribution but is a little bit more

Win4lin is overall a GREAT tool. I have purchased it over a year ago and I'm
very glad I did. It's definitely a must-have for Linux users, as it allows me to
keep in touch with the Windows world.

Another great tool that allows you to run almost any OS under Linux is VMware.
It will definitely run ANY version of Windows (including XP). It is not as fast
as Win4lin, but it's close (maybe just 10-15% slower than a real Windows). You
can even run several versions of Windows at the same time!

VMware is able to simulate the hardware so well that it is even possible to use
Windows USB drivers to control your USB devices (something Win4lin is not able
to do: if your USB device is not recognized by Linux, Win4lin will not see it).
I mean that the Windows copy running inside your Linux will be able to talk to
the USB hardware directly.

VMware is technically superior to Win4lin, but is much more expensive ($300). On
the other hand, it will allow a developper to test an application under several
versions of Windows (or Linux, or FreeBSD, even DOS...) on a single computer
without any reboot.

So for a developper I would say it is a must-have (there is also a Windows
version that would allow you to run a copy of Linux inside Windows, or multiple
copies of different versions of Windows inside Windows).

>There still remains a space inside my HD for Windows 98Se (I like Rebel DOS :-))
>and I keep another HD with Windows 2003, but I must say I'm impressed with Linux
> development in the last years... 5 years ago it was a kind of a "geek" system
>without good graphical interface... now it is very stable and user friendly. I
>remember when going from DOS to Windows 3.11 that I had to learn many things,
>and now it isn't different...

I totally agree with you. I had tried Linux twice in the past (maybe in 97 and
99) and rejected it twice.

The third attempt was the right one (mid 2002).

It is true that the switch from Windows is not really straightforward. There are
some new things to learn and personally it took me months because I had nobody
to guide me. But after all, learning Windows took me years (and I have *never*
been satisfied with it)!

Linux has made enormous progress in a few years. It's now a perfectly viable
desktop system. It is clean, fast, stable and secure. It is not that surprising:
the people who wrote it did not write it to suck money from you. They wrote it
because they needed and OS that really works.

All the productivity applications are there, and they are as good as their
Windows counterparts. What's missing is a little bit more support from hardware
manufacturers, but that will come soon.

Frankly, I cannot see how Linux could be stopped from becoming the OS of the
human kind.


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