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Subject: A FEG technical article?

Author: Dann Corbit

Date: 13:20:12 04/09/04

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On April 09, 2004 at 15:31:41, John Merlino wrote:

>On April 09, 2004 at 15:09:29, Dann Corbit wrote:
>
>>On April 09, 2004 at 13:52:16, John Merlino wrote:
>>
>>>On April 09, 2004 at 13:43:10, Dann Corbit wrote:
>>>
>>>>On April 09, 2004 at 13:38:30, John Merlino wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On April 09, 2004 at 13:33:36, Dann Corbit wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On April 09, 2004 at 12:56:58, John Merlino wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On April 09, 2004 at 02:24:36, Dann Corbit wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On April 09, 2004 at 00:35:43, Les Fernandez wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Is anyone aware of any study that has been done regarding the "time" thats
>>>>>>>>>needed to generate endgame table bases?  Eugene would probably be the best one
>>>>>>>>>to consult with since he appears to be the "authority on this subject" but I am
>>>>>>>>>interested to hear from anyone.  Certainly it is important that the times are
>>>>>>>>>all based on same hardware.  I am interested in studying the times it takes to
>>>>>>>>>do each tablebase.  By each tablebase I mean each individual one.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>According to my understanding the ChessMaster FEG tablebase files are faster to
>>>>>>>>generate and require less memory.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I do not know if they can produce the statistics that you are interested in,
>>>>>>>>however.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Yes, they can. The FEG utility can perform a summary of all files generated on
>>>>>>>your computer, and this includes the time it took to generate them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Is the format public?
>>>>>
>>>>>Nope.
>>>>>
>>>>>>Can other engines use the tables?
>>>>>
>>>>>Yes, if they had the format. :-)
>>>>>But for now, Johan is keeping it to himself.
>>>>
>>>>Well then, I think we have the answer to the question:
>>>>"WHy aren't people using the FEG format instead of Nalimov."
>>>>... Because Nalimov format is the only sensible choice.  It makes the previous
>>>>and tedious debate seem extremely silly to me now.
>>>
>>>I knew that.... ;-)
>>>
>>>Although I think the intended point of the debate was to determine which format
>>>was "better", rather than which format should people be using. But, sadly, like
>>>many CCC debates, I don't think anything remotely close to a consensus was
>>>reached.
>>>
>>>Isn't computer chess fun??!
>>
>>No matter how you slice it:
>>"We ought to be using this unobtainable format!"
>>is silly.
>
>No question. But that statement can quickly turn into a "Please make this format
>obtainable!" thread, which I'm sure Johan would at the very least pay attention
>to.

A technical article would be even better.
Hint, hint.
Nudge, nudge.
Know what I mean?



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