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Subject: Re: CM 6000 Analysis of Chess Position????

Author: Laurence Chen

Date: 19:46:49 12/13/98

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>Read comment made by Lanny DiBartolomeo:
>And your basing this on a cm2000 program (which is a totally different engine)
>and 1chess position from GM kasparov that cm6000 couldnt find? I can come up
>with plenty of examples in which it can find, as a matter of fact there was a
>post of a position in which fritz5 didnt find and cm6000 and rebel10 found.
>No one said that cm6000 finds all the moves no one, not even GMkasparov could.
>But I do Know about static advantages and dynamic play and i know most people
>here do! And cm6000 plays very well it plays the position and what the position
>calls for it will find a majority of the time be it static or dynamic it has
>given exchange sacs on me a number of times and continued with play why? not
>because it saw it would win back material but it created enough pressure on the
>board for the sac! SO, sorry but you are not talking about the same program i
>play against.
Yes we are talking about the same program, I use CM 6000, and I see it make
exchange sacs lots of time, but however, whenever it did, it did as a pseudo
sacrifice, not as a real sacrifice, it was able to win material back in a few
moves later. So, why is it that CM 6000 won't make a positional sacrifice in
this position?:
1rb1r1k1/3n1ppp/p1p1p3/q3P3/7P/2N1Q1R1/PPP3P1/2KR1B2 w - - 1 0
It chooses 18. a3 as the best move after I left the CM 6000 to analyze the
position for 6 hours in the infinite level. Fritz finds the move 18. Rxd7, but
it gives an evaluation of 0.00, it prefers the other move 18. h5. This position
came from the game between GM Keres and GM Szabo, Budapest 1955. GM Keres won
the game in this fashion: 18. Rxd7! Bxd7 19. Bd3 h6 20. Qf4 (Threatening both
21. Qf6 and 21. Rxg7+ etc.) 20. ... Kf8 21. Rxg7! Kxg7 22. Qf6+ Kf8 23. Bg6! 1-0
(23. ... Re7 24. Qh8#). Even Junior 5 does not like the move 18. Rxd7, so what
is wrong then with this move? I believe that GM Szabo defended poorly, usually,
there is a psychological shock which a player gets when one receives a sac on
board. I wonder how would Keres continued if Szabo played 19. ... g6 instead.
You see, CM, Fritz 5.16, Junior 5 reject the sac because it is unsound, it
doesn't see any gain of material, nor any prospect for a mating attack. GM Keres
sacrificed the exchange in order to remove the most active defender on board,
and he did it for a gain in initiative, and also because of the psychological
effect the sac would have on his opponent. CM 6000 is not the only engine which
performs sac on board, all the other engines in the top ten in the SSDF list are
capable of performing exchange sacrifices. But I have yet to see one engine
which performs a real sacrifice, not a pseudo-sacrifice. If CM 6000 did not
perform any positional sacrifices, then no one would buy a copy of CM !!! I used
the default CM personality to analyze this position. Next I am going to try the
logging player you suggested and let you know if the results are any different.





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