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Subject: Re: Diep and Falcon #2 and 3

Author: Rolf Tueschen

Date: 05:45:09 05/01/04

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On May 01, 2004 at 07:37:36, Arturo Ochoa wrote:

>On May 01, 2004 at 07:32:13, Rolf Tueschen wrote:
>
>>On May 01, 2004 at 00:32:32, Arturo Ochoa wrote:
>>
>>>On May 01, 2004 at 00:15:19, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>
>>>>On May 01, 2004 at 00:11:32, Arturo Ochoa wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On April 30, 2004 at 23:57:23, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On April 30, 2004 at 23:54:12, Arturo Ochoa wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On April 30, 2004 at 23:48:42, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On April 30, 2004 at 23:32:02, Arturo Ochoa wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On April 30, 2004 at 23:23:10, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>On April 30, 2004 at 22:44:40, Chessfun wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Diep is now in the #3 programs
>>>>>>>>>>>http://www.talkchess.com/forums/1/message.html?362447
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>And Falcon is a Grandmaster strength program about 2700 ELO.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>And assuming "Shredder 8 is the only engine that consistently scores above 50%
>>>>>>>>>>>against Falcon in my tests"
>>>>>>>>>>>http://www.talkchess.com/forums/1/message.html?362348 we can therefore assume
>>>>>>>>>>>it's #2
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>That leaves Shredder 8 at #1.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Lucky both the #2 and #3 program are neither for sale or available else some may
>>>>>>>>>>>even report they are #1 ;-)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>I would suggest to both programmers that they get a good team of beta testers
>>>>>>>>>>>and start posting game scores and results that would be deemed realistic.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Sarah.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>You know, of course, that you have now entered a world known as "The Twilight
>>>>>>>>>>Zone"?  Where fact is fiction, fiction is fact, truth is false, imagination is
>>>>>>>>>>reality, all the other Rod Serling stuff...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Mmmmm, your rol is very important here too: you must be the screenplay writer of
>>>>>>>>>the production. How many actors will you include in your screenplay? When will
>>>>>>>>>you return from your twilight zone?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I don't live in the twilight zone.  I don't claim to be in the top three unless
>>>>>>>>we talk open hardware where I have a chance.  I don't claim to beat all
>>>>>>>>commercial programs in private tests.  I don't claim to have the best eval, the
>>>>>>>>best search, etc...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Finally, I understand: you will simplify some scripts of the screenplay with
>>>>>>>quick solutions. I thought that you had more imagination.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>That's where we differ.  This is _not_ about imagination.  It is about
>>>>>>reality...  At least in my case, apparently not in some "others"...
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Not really. I prefer not to say on that topic. However, I would not dare to say
>>>>>any similar declaration as all the thread below without facts. For o against,
>>>>>all the thread is imprudent. I can only say that in ICT4, the Diep book was
>>>>>decisive in three games but it failed in two games: Hydra and Nexus games. Of
>>>>>course, those holes were already solved.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>That is but one reason why making such claims is stupid.  One bad book move can
>>>>make a program look like an idiot.  One bug with repetitions can do the same.
>>>>
>>>>claims are for lame-brains.  They rarely hold true...
>>>
>>>Well, as far as I can remember, I have not claimed anything. I only say that the
>>>topic is not productive. I have just pointed out where the Diep book failed in
>>>ICT4.
>>
>>
>>If you haven't claimed anything then why did you tell Bob that he might be the
>>script writer of the whole screenplay [for what - the Twilight Zone??]?? Wasn't
>>that a claim or better an attack just because Bob had expressed the obvious,
>>namely that the alleged data about DIEP and FALCON were belonging in the
>>Twilight Zone? - Tell me for what reason you wrote that at all? Only to publish
>>that you fixed some holes in the DIEP book? What had all that to do with the
>>basic absurdity of such claims for example that FALCON now plays like a GM with
>>2700? You know that that is wrong, don't you?
>
>MMmmmmm...... Well, lets create another long thread about the absurd topic....
>How do you want the thread: absurd, silly or not serious? I have some freetime
>to waste here.



What means MMmmmmm? Does that prove deep thinking mode? - I doubt that.



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