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Subject: Re: Crafty 19.12 at 40/2hrs {Quite long --> The games}

Author: Dann Corbit

Date: 15:54:59 05/11/04

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On May 11, 2004 at 18:20:10, Uri Blass wrote:

>On May 11, 2004 at 18:12:48, Dann Corbit wrote:
>
>>On May 11, 2004 at 03:01:10, Uri Blass wrote:
>>[snip]
>>>I do not understand this evaluation because it seems to contradict the pv.
>>>
>>>List plans to allow Crafty repetition of the root position if you change
>>>Crafty's Nf6e4 that is written in the pv  to Qc7b7 but still evaluates the
>>>position as positive for itself.
>>>
>>>I think that the evaluation should be at most 0.00 if the opponent can force
>>>repetition of the root position against your plan.
>>
>>Beyond the first few plies, a pv is a wild guess.  Beyond the stated search
>>depth, a pv is wild speculation (often based on SEE).  It is not unusual to see
>>a pv by a top chess program have a checkmate sign in it, and have the score
>>nowhere close to a checkmate.
>
>It can never happen with movei unless I have a bug.
>checkmate is always evaluated as checkmate in movei.
>
>In the relevant case of List-Crafty the repetition can happen in the 4th ply of
>the pv and it is not a horizon effect.
>
>It is possible that list read the pv from the hash and it is wrong but it is
>clear that 4 plies should be enough to see a draw for crafty in that line so the
>fact that list has positive score in the game is clearly wrong.

Tt is probably intentional.

A tiny ce value in your favor in a known draw position when you would otherwise
have some small advantage is a common ploy when you hope that the opponent might
make a mistake.

Similarly for when you have a small disadvantage.





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