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Subject: Re: pre-chess

Author: Russell Reagan

Date: 15:54:28 05/16/04

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On May 16, 2004 at 16:02:54, Marc Bourzutschky wrote:

>>After reading the article, I would have to agree that 8,294,400 is the correct
>>count. How did you arrive at your number?

>If reflection on the vertical does not change the castling options for either
>player, the position is game theoretically equivalent to its mirrored position
>(because all piece movements except for castling are mirror symmetric).  The
>8,294,400 count double counts those positions.

Then you are asking (at least) two different questions, to which there are (at
least) two different answers. The "mathematical" answer is 8,294,400. If we
don't use the mathematical approach, it becomes a mess. We could look at the
problem from a data storage point of view, using
reflection/rotation/mirroring/etc. You are currently saying that KQRRBBNN is
equivalent to NNBBRRQK, i.e. they belong to the same group, i.e. if we knew the
optimal game theoretical result of each opening position, we could count both of
these as (say) a win for white (or whatever the real outcome is).

Having said that, I could argue that there are three game theoretical
possibilities. Three groups of positions where...

1. White has a forced win
2. Black has a forced win
3. There is a forced draw

Yes, that is a stretch on my part, but you get the point. Maybe all of the
answers you posted are correct, because you haven't nailed down the question you
want an answer to. You need to concretely define the question you are asking.
8,294,400 is the right answer, but that answer may not belong to the question
you are asking.



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