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Subject: Re: Funding opportunity WCCC 2004

Author: Mark Winands

Date: 12:24:22 05/18/04

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On May 18, 2004 at 12:20:32, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:

>On May 18, 2004 at 09:50:39, Mark Winands wrote:
>
>A patent is very expensive.
>
>Copyright is for near to free.
>Trademark is for near to free.
>
>You do not pay something which is about your yearsalary (ours Mark, not that of
>professors in USA possibly) just to get a patent. The price for a patent varies,
>i am not very well informed here. But several here who do have patents have
>scared off the pants of me when quoting some prices what patents cost to obtain.

Is Octi really patented? Or just branded and protected by copyright? Could you
please give me the link?

Patented, branded, or protected or whatever games are referred as proprietary
games - whose ownership is established and protected ). This definition is used
by the Mind Sports Olympiad.


Patents are not really cheap, I agree. You should also hire a lawyer.



>
>Apart from that you must fill in hundreds of paper forms and proof things.
>
>So that's really a huge work.
>
>And whatever you post here on CCC, if he tomorrow changes his mind because the
>game is succesful thanks to software X, then he can claim any amount of money
>and charge and ask anything he wants to.
>
>Anyone can still change his rules. Modify it a little here and there and you
>have a new game. See what Ed Trice did. Change board size, add 2 pieces which
>are trivial moving, modify castling rule. O yes, and patent it.
>
>So basically he can do with the game and any product made for that game what he
>wishes to. Whatever he says now. If he says: "tomorrow i go claim 50 dollar a
>product sold" or if he says: "tomorrow all internet servers that use this game
>must pay me 50 dollar cent a game".
>
>You can do nothing against all that.
>
>Really zero.
>
>Only if he publicly gives the game free and makes it a freeware LPGL game with
>explanation why he has the patent and not for any other reason than that, then
>we speak about a different casus.



Ok Vincent as long as your software is privateware you can do whatever you like.
That shouldn't withhold you to compete:).  Doesn't this sound good: Vincent
Computer Octi Champion 2004!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

His conditions for distribution Octi software are fair in my opinion. He only
wants to check whether you program is playing true Octi. But I have the feeling
that you have some negative experiences with game designers / professors. The
Gipf project always welcomed freeware ( I don't know about shareware). I don't
think I have the rhetoric gift to convince you about this.

Ok, commercial selling your program can be a different story...





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