Author: José Carlos
Date: 01:53:11 05/19/04
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On May 19, 2004 at 04:38:11, Omid David Tabibi wrote: >On May 19, 2004 at 04:29:48, José Carlos wrote: > >>On May 19, 2004 at 03:54:50, Omid David Tabibi wrote: >> >>>On May 19, 2004 at 03:32:10, José Carlos wrote: >>> >>>>On May 18, 2004 at 13:21:15, Omid David Tabibi wrote: >>>> >>>>>On May 18, 2004 at 13:07:26, José Carlos wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On May 18, 2004 at 12:58:33, Omid David Tabibi wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On May 18, 2004 at 12:55:25, José Carlos wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On May 18, 2004 at 09:16:34, Omid David Tabibi wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>On May 17, 2004 at 05:48:45, Richard Pijl wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>There are thousands of players at Biel, only a dozen at Wijk an Zee. So what ? >>>>>>>>>>>When was the last time Kasparov, Polgar, Anand played in Biel ? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>There are also thousands of (well, at least more than a thousand) players at >>>>>>>>>>Wijk aan Zee. >>>>>>>>>>Besides the three grandmaster groups there are several other tournaments. >>>>>>>>>>See http://www.coruschess.com/ for more info on those (click information-general >>>>>>>>>>information). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>In Linares there are usually about half a dozen players only. And it is usually >>>>>>>>>considered the most important tournament. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> No it isn't. The most important tournament has always been the world champs >>>>>>>>where players from all over the world and all levels can participate, in zonals, >>>>>>>>interzonals etc. If you are strong enough you can get to play the world champion >>>>>>>>if you pass the previous contests. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>And you must attend in person for the world championship; you don't play over >>>>>>>the internet... >>>>>> >>>>>> Yes, I'm not a program, just a person. But maybe someday someone will invent a >>>>>>way to connect directly my brain to a chess server so that I can run automated >>>>>>with a fixed protocol. >>>>> >>>>>That technology is already available, it is called PlayChess, Internet Chess >>>>>Club, FICS, etc. But it is not used in serious events, and surely not in world >>>>>championships. >>>> >>>> You miss the point. >>>> We can't "automate" a human connected to a chess server the way we can with a >>>>program. At ICC, I make the moves on my screen with my mouse. Nothing prevents >>>>me from having another computer analyzing the game, a bunch of friends analyzing >>>>with me in a physical board, etc. >>> >>>And anything prevents you from doing the same in CCT? Analyze the game on >>>another computer, using other programs, have a bunch of friends analyzing with >>>you, and when you find a better move, overrule your program... >> >> Not easily if you're automated and thinking is posted and log files can be >>analyzed. It's not impossible, but it's hard. > >Unfortunately, it is extremely easy. Think of the following: Every 1 second your >program checks the file command.txt, and if it finds a move there it chooses it >and creates a PV for it (very easy, in the root force that move). Thus, you >overruled the program, and the PV is as realistic as before. Implementing it >will take less than one hour to make it totally undetectable. > >I hope nobody implements this suggestion, but it just shows how simple and easy >it is to cheat online. I won't bet (as Vincent), because I'm poor, but I'm pretty sure a log file created that way would be extremely easy to catch. BTW, what prevents a program that runs manually to do the same? Run Hiarcs in background; have it print PV's; have your program waiting very relaxed until PV's come; let your program print the read pv or let it pick the first move and make up a pv. Ain't that equally easy? José C.
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