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Subject: Re: Proof for the CSS Claim that WM-Test Elo Numbers meant Strength!

Author: Sandro Necchi

Date: 14:18:33 06/14/04

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On June 14, 2004 at 16:44:51, Steve Glanzfeld wrote:

>On June 14, 2004 at 16:33:19, Rolf Tueschen wrote:
>
>>Here is a quote from 2001 when WM Test already had 40 positions. At that time
>>CSS the journal wrote:
>>
>>"Die ermittelte CSS-Elo-Zahl eines Programms darf man als Indikator seiner
>>Spielstärke betrachten ..."
>>
>>
>>In English:
>>
>>The calculated CSS-Elo_Number of a program can be viewed as an indicator of its
>>strength...
>>
>>This was in journal number 5 of 2001.
>>
>>QED The now new claim that it was all about fun and nothing but fun is false.
>>The CSS journal itself defined the context of Elo number and calculated Strength
>>of a program.

Hi,

Rolf is correct this time.

>
>I guess I have to brush up my knowledge of some computerchess basics :) but I do
>not quite understand all this. When a test measures the ability of chess
>programs to find good moves, why is it remarkable then when this is seen as an
>indicator of strength?

It is not remarkable; it is quite probably wrong.

Look this simple answer and think about:

1. a !! move is not 100% a sure win; it only give better winning chances most
   of the time.

2. a ! move gives only equality or a small edge in most cases.

3. 2 ? moves are good enough to lose!

4. a ?? moves is most of the time a loosing move.

So we can conclude that:

1. to be able to find the best moves in many positions not necessarely makes
   the program stronger.

2. To make several mistakes or weak moves does make the program weaker!


>What else should it indicate, when a chess program has a
>good result in such a test?

My answer is very little!

>
>Btw. thanks for the links. Looks like a giant collection of testing data. I
>don't know most of the program names :)
>
>Steve

Sandro




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