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Subject: Re: Computer Chess Worldwide

Author: Eugene Nalimov

Date: 16:51:34 07/15/04

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On July 15, 2004 at 18:03:08, Peter Berger wrote:

>On July 15, 2004 at 15:59:50, Ed Schröder wrote:
>>On July 15, 2004 at 15:42:33, Eugene Nalimov wrote:
>>>On July 15, 2004 at 15:36:47, Ed Schröder wrote:
>>>>On July 15, 2004 at 13:21:48, Martin Slowik wrote:
>>>>>lucky me mentioned the name Ed Schroeder only together with the adjective
>>>>>'talented'... ;-) Didn't know that you're still around, still being interested
>>>>>in computer chess.
>>>>Being retired from competion and commerce doesn't mean my interest has gone
>>>>>Since I have you here now, if you allow I'd have a question that is nagging me
>>>>>(and some other folks who are still playing dedicated chess computers).
>>>>>Hopefully you remember the times of the Risc I and II modules for the Mephistos
>>>>>roughly... Is there a big difference between the two, i.e. do you remember what
>>>>>you changed or to what exent in the later program version? There are people
>>>>>thinking that the first version is even stronger than the second, do you believe
>>>>>this is possible?
>>>>The Risc-II is 40-50 elo points stronger. I still know it because the difference
>>>>was just one instruction.
>>>>>>The USCF has about 50,000-60,000 paying members which is quite low if you
>>>>>>compare that to pinhead Holland which has about 30,000.
>>>>>Well, I intentionally didn't mention Fischer and the popularity of chess in the
>>>>>US, since I think that this is alomst an exception to the 'Becker-effect'. Okay,
>>>>>in the first years Bobby did attract many people but I think the effect would
>>>>>have been bigger or have lasted longer in almost any other country. Perhaps this
>>>>>is due to the cultural differences between Europe and America: if you can't earn
>>>>>a lot of money with a sport/game it gets dropped very quickly by the people
>>>>>(even though Fischer changed the salaries of the pros in a very significant way
>>>>>- alas it's not comparable to the salaries of basketball players).  ;-)
>>>>>>>in Holland the answer must be related to Euwe...
>>>>>>Obviously. But chess was already quite popular here.
>>>>>Yes, and I think even the extent nowadays is astonishing.
>>>>>But what I don't get is the lack of russian chess engine programmers. They have
>>>>>both, excellent chess players and very good programmers - but so far no top
>>>>>engine if I'm not mistaken.
>>>>I agree, the lack off Russian chess programmers is unexplainable.
>>>Does several percent of code in majority of strong chess engines count as at
>>>least one engine? :-)
>>Really Eugene, I did not know you are of Russian descent.
>>But the answer to your question is still "Njet" :-)
>>My best,
>Didn't Eugene also write Mirage? That was a very decent free engine at its time.
>How about SmarThink? Thought it was Russian too.

No, not Mirage. Siberian Chess. It was more than 10 years ago, when I had no
wife or kids, and had less demanding job...

You can download (some) version from

I am not even sure I kept the sources when I moved to the USA...


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