Author: Kurt Utzinger
Date: 23:00:55 09/14/04
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On September 14, 2004 at 20:45:26, Derek Paquette wrote:
>On most programs, the time it takes to reach the next ply, is usually double
>what it took to reach the previous, so it looks something like this,
>
>atleast with shredder and fritz
>
>10ply = 40 sec
>11 ply = 1:20
>12 ply = 2:40
>
>etc.
>
>Of course this isn't the exact number but it is generally double, however with
>Hiarcs 9, it seems to be almost a 5x increase per depth, almost 6 in some cases.
>
>So my question is, WHY would a faster cpu make it much stronger, unless of
>course the cpu was 5x faster, (hiarcs to remind you is not a multiprocessor
>program)
>
>So if I'm searching to depth 12 in 3 minutes,
>but I wouldn't reach depth 13 for atleast 14 minutes, why would i need a faster
>cpu? its still going to be stuck on the first calculated move for along time,
>
>it doesnt make sense to me, perhaps I am not understanding something critical,
>
>Also, what word have we the community received about Hiarcs 10 on PC.
>
>Gixxer(the user name) on playserver was VERY active about 4 months ago, I have
>not seen him in along time.
>
>Any word on this new program?
>He estimated that Hiarcs10 would be 50 elo stronger than hiarcs9, that would put
>it 21 elo LOWER than shredder 8 currently on the SSDF,
>
>So I wonder, is Hiarcs10 being delayed until they can push it well beyond 50
>elo, so they aren't releasing something that will be even weaker than Junior8?
>or DF8? a program that would be a generation BEHIND?
>
>These questions I would like answered, as I am a big Hiarcs fan, although my
>fanboyism is dwindling as they have not kept us up to date, and that the
>performance of the engine might start to turn into a 'second rate' engine as it
>cannot keep up with the top dogs, although this is all speculation, and I hope
>non of it is true.
>
>Derek Paquette (check my website in two days, for the new opening book, with
>fixed 1.d4 lines)
>www.geocities.com/theupandup22
Is the following not a counter-example of your theory?
Analysis on P4 1.8/32 MB hash.
Kurt
[Event "Angriff"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2000.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Opfer"]
[Black "1.Sxg6"]
[Result "1-0"]
[Annotator "FCP Forum: TL"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "1r1r1b1k/1bpq2pp/p4p2/P2np2P/1pBP3N/2P5/1P1B1PP1/R2QR1K1 w - - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "11"]
[EventDate "2000.??.??"]
1. Ng6+ hxg6 2. hxg6 Qf5 3. Bd3 Nxc3 4. bxc3 Bf3 5. Bxf5 Bxd1 6. Raxd1 {
and White wins a piece} 1-0
Opfer - 1.Sxg6
[D]1r1r1b1k/1bpq2pp/p4p2/P2np2P/1pBP3N/2P5/1P1B1PP1/R2QR1K1 w - - 0 1
Analysis by Hiarcs 9:
1.dxe5 fxe5 2.Rxe5
+- (1.43) Depth: 1/8 00:00:00
1.dxe5 fxe5 2.Rxe5
± (1.10) Depth: 2/11 00:00:00
1.dxe5 Bc5
± (1.10) Depth: 2/11 00:00:00
1.dxe5 Bc5
± (1.35) Depth: 3/12 00:00:00
1.dxe5 fxe5 2.cxb4 Be7 3.Nf3
± (1.35) Depth: 3/12 00:00:00
1.dxe5 fxe5 2.Qc2 Qe8 3.Be2
± (1.23) Depth: 4/16 00:00:00
1.dxe5 bxc3 2.Bxc3 fxe5 3.Rxe5 Nxc3 4.Qxd7 Rxd7
± (1.13) Depth: 5/16 00:00:00 26kN
1.dxe5 Nxc3 2.Bxc3 bxc3 3.Qxd7 Rxd7 4.bxc3 fxe5 5.Rxe5
± (1.13) Depth: 6/18 00:00:01 83kN
1.dxe5 Nxc3 2.Bxc3 bxc3 3.Qxd7 Rxd7 4.bxc3 fxe5 5.Rxe5
± (0.88) Depth: 7/22 00:00:01 143kN
1.dxe5 Nxc3 2.Bxc3 Qxd1 3.Raxd1 Rxd1 4.Rxd1 bxc3 5.bxc3 fxe5
² (0.54) Depth: 7/22 00:00:01 170kN
1.dxe5 Nxc3 2.Bxc3 Qxd1 3.Raxd1 Rxd1 4.Rxd1 bxc3 5.bxc3 fxe5 6.Rd7
± (0.72) Depth: 8/23 00:00:06 793kN
1.dxe5 Nxc3 2.Bxc3 Qxd1 3.Raxd1 Rxd1 4.Rxd1 bxc3 5.bxc3 fxe5 6.Rd7
² (0.47) Depth: 9/28 00:00:12 1586kN
1.dxe5 Nxc3 2.Bxc3 Qxd1 3.Raxd1 Rxd1 4.Rxd1 bxc3 5.bxc3 fxe5 6.Rd7 Bd6
² (0.46) Depth: 9/28 00:00:13 1696kN
1.dxe5 Nxc3 2.Bxc3 Qxd1 3.Raxd1 Rxd1 4.Rxd1 bxc3 5.bxc3 fxe5 6.Rd7 Bd6
± (0.71) Depth: 10/29 00:00:51 6511kN
1.dxe5 Nxc3 2.Bxc3 Qxd1 3.Raxd1 bxc3
± (0.75) Depth: 10/29 00:00:58 7567kN
1.dxe5 Nxc3 2.Bxc3 Qxd1 3.Raxd1 bxc3 4.Rxd8 Rxd8 5.bxc3 fxe5 6.Nf3 Bxf3 7.gxf3
² (0.60) Depth: 11/32 00:02:20 18404kN
1.Ng6+ hxg6
² (0.61) Depth: 11/38 00:05:09 40367kN
1.Ng6+ hxg6
± (1.00) Depth: 11/38 00:05:36 43550kN
1.Ng6+ hxg6 2.hxg6 Qf5 3.Bd3 Nxc3 4.bxc3 e4 5.Rxe4 Bxe4 6.Bxe4 Qb5 7.Qg4
± (1.08) Depth: 11/38 00:06:08 47626kN
1.Ng6+ hxg6 2.hxg6 Qf5 3.Bd3 Nxc3 4.bxc3 e4 5.Rxe4 Bxe4 6.Bxe4 Qb5 7.Qg4
± (1.33) Depth: 12/39 00:08:17 62580kN
1.Ng6+ hxg6 2.hxg6 Qf5 3.Bd3 Nxc3 4.bxc3 e4 5.Rxe4 Bxe4 6.Bxe4
+- (1.46) Depth: 12/40 00:09:46 73099kN
1.Ng6+ hxg6 2.hxg6 Nf4 3.Bxf4 Qf5 4.Re3 Bd5 5.Rh3+ Kg8 6.Bxd5+ Rxd5 7.Qh5 Qxh5
8.Rxh5 Bd6 9.dxe5 Bxe5 10.Bxe5
+- (1.53) Depth: 13/41 00:21:34 163632kN
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