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Subject: world's biggest anti-computer chess expert. ?

Author: Duncan Roberts

Date: 16:05:10 10/11/04

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who would you nominate as world's biggest anti-computer chess expert. ?


duncan


On October 11, 2004 at 19:03:05, Albert Silver wrote:

>On October 11, 2004 at 15:49:07, Enrique Irazoqui wrote:
>
>>I have Chrilly's permission to post these remarks he emailed me about Hydra:
>>
>>"Winning against GMs has to a certain extent already lost its charm. We are
>>already in the position were we can only lose. I personally think that this
>>expectation overestimates the capabilities of the program. But it is a matter of
>>fact that this version played 8 games against top GMs, won 6 and made 2 draws.
>>Gives an Elo-rating of >2900."
>>
>>"Leonxto (Leontxo García, well known chess journalist from Spain) wrote in El
>>Pais: "y ademas muestra uns unaudita "comprension" de la estrategia" (and it
>>also shows an unheard of "understanding" of the strategy). Actually it has no
>>idea at all about this. It has some simple rules like "It is beneficial to
>>attack the area around the opponent king, to attack opponent pieces, to control
>>the center. It knows a little bit what abut bad/good bishops, when is the knight
>>stronger than the bishop". The big surprise for me was, that even this simple
>>rules were sufficient to know that the exchange of the light-squared bishop of
>>Ponomariov in the first match was not the best idea. The evaluation went up a
>>1/4 of a pawn. Generally I saw no GM move which had some flavour of geniality (I
>>am speaking only of the Hydra-games). The moves which really surprised me (e.g.
>>Qe2 after Nc4 in the last match) were done by Hydra."
>
>Thanks for sharing. As to the remarks on its knowledge, I must say I'm not
>terribly surprised. Similar remarks have been noted on Fritz when it was a far
>more 'ignorant' program. The depth of the search allows it to see the
>consequences of its moves sufficiently to compensate for a lack of knowledge,
>and my oh my is Hydra going deeply. Even Ed Schroeder has noted this on Rebel,
>and the latest versions have the knowledge parameter at a mere 100 when the
>maximum goes all the way to 500. Much as it would be nice to use all the things
>it potentially knows, it just hasn't proved useful enough to compensate for the
>fewer plies. Still, it would be interesting to see how a real expert in
>anti-computer chess fared against it. Much as I respect the GMs who played, I
>hardly consider Ponomariov or Karjakin as expert computer opponents, which makes
>their suitability for this particular event questionable.
>
>                                         Albert



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