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Subject: Re: I was longing for a 64-bit compatable programming.

Author: enrico carrisco

Date: 21:02:12 10/12/04

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On October 12, 2004 at 21:08:30, Russell Reagan wrote:

>On October 12, 2004 at 19:32:44, stuart taylor wrote:
>
>>I thought we were all waiting for 64-bit programming which might have made it 4
>>times as fast, wouldn't it? Or at least a bit better, and I just can't
>>understand why it is not designed to take advantage of the most recent hardware
>>cpu advances, of about a year ago.
>
>I wouldn't expect Tiger to be released as an AMD64 program at this time. I doubt
>it is significantly faster on AMD64, and it doesn't make sense from a business
>point of view at this time.
>
>Tiger is not a bitboard program. Non-bitboard programs are very hit and miss
>when it comes to the "64-bit bonus". Some get a modest speedup and some get no
>speedup, but I don't know of any that gets a significant speedup.

Some get NO speed-up?  Which?  I would venture to guess that NO program (chess
or otherwise) would see less than 15-20%, MHz for MHz vs. the Athlon XP.

-elc.

>It may well be
>that 32-bit hardware is the fastest for Tiger at this point in time, especially
>considering that the best compilers for AMD64 are either still in beta form (ex.
>Microsoft) or something like gcc. I also don't know of any chess program which
>runs four times faster because of AMD64 hardware. Crafty, for instance, runs
>about 60% faster on the Opteron compared to an equivalently clocked 32-bit
>Athlon. It is highly improbable that Tiger would gain more from 64-bit hardware
>than Crafty, unless Tiger has become a bitboard program, but I *seriously* doubt
>that :)
>
>From a business point of view it doesn't make sense either. Not many people have
>AMD64 machines, and even fewer have Windows for AMD64 (and most of them have a
>beta version).



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